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Now they are inviting new hires to tell them WTF is wrong with the place...Wow
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All DAY EVERY DAY wrote:Now they are inviting new hires to tell them WTF is wrong with the place...Wow
I volunteered. I'm just curious; do they think that the social media presence is the issue? It's all numbers! Pay! Days off! Pension! Benefits! It's not hard to attract people when the numbers are right.
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Tail-Chaser wrote:
All DAY EVERY DAY wrote:Now they are inviting new hires to tell them WTF is wrong with the place...Wow
I volunteered. I'm just curious; do they think that the social media presence is the issue? It's all numbers! Pay! Days off! Pension! Benefits! It's not hard to attract people when the numbers are right.
Jazz pilots are ALPA represented. If Jazz were to attempt to survey the Jazz pilots (including new-hires) about WAWCON which is properly the purview of collective bargaining, then it is a de facto attempt to circumvent the certified bargaining agent and would represent a potential unfair labour practice under the Canada Labour Code.

It is likely simply about social media presence and attracting applicants. Hard to believe but true.
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Hmmmm...How about offering more money?
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rudder wrote:
Tail-Chaser wrote: attracting applicants. Hard to believe but true.
1) Raise the starting pay %20-30
2) 2x or 3x WDO pay
3) Lower the average days worked/month, even if it's just a day or two
4) Stop sticking everyone in YUL initially for 4-6 months when there are vacancies at all bases.

I think even just number 4 alone would attract a few more people. But pay is the number one. I am not going to WDO myself very often at only 1.5x on year one or two pay.

I noticed American Airlines posts the anticipated retirements per year out to 2030 or so. If Jazz did that, I think a lot of people would consider coming here if saw on paper the huge amount of retirements in the pipeline.
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Black_Tusk wrote:
rudder wrote:
Tail-Chaser wrote: attracting applicants. Hard to believe but true.
1) Raise the starting pay %20-30
2) 2x or 3x WDO pay
3) Lower the average days worked/month, even if it's just a day or two
4) Stop sticking everyone in YUL initially for 4-6 months when there are vacancies at all bases.

I think even just number 4 alone would attract a few more people. But pay is the number one. I am not going to WDO myself very often at only 1.5x on year one or two pay.

I noticed American Airlines posts the anticipated retirements per year out to 2030 or so. If Jazz did that, I think a lot of people would consider coming here if saw on paper the huge amount of retirements in the pipeline.
There's a list of retirements per year out to 2026 on the Jazz MEC site under pension/retirement. They don't really start kicking in until about 2021. Then it's about 40-50 a year. Only 15 next year.
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Re: Rumor about %30 pay increase

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Inverted2 wrote:
Black_Tusk wrote:
rudder wrote:
1) Raise the starting pay %20-30
2) 2x or 3x WDO pay
3) Lower the average days worked/month, even if it's just a day or two
4) Stop sticking everyone in YUL initially for 4-6 months when there are vacancies at all bases.

I think even just number 4 alone would attract a few more people. But pay is the number one. I am not going to WDO myself very often at only 1.5x on year one or two pay.

I noticed American Airlines posts the anticipated retirements per year out to 2030 or so. If Jazz did that, I think a lot of people would consider coming here if saw on paper the huge amount of retirements in the pipeline.
There's a list of retirements per year out to 2026 on the Jazz MEC site under pension/retirement. They don't really start kicking in until about 2021. Then it's about 40-50 a year. Only 15 next year.
Isn't that list assuming that everyone go to 65? I can already count the number from YVR that will pull the pin next year and it's higher than 15..

I'm with Black tusk though. If they want to attract the remaining qualified candidates in the country, the initial pay needs to improve and there needs to be some reason for a few of us to stay long term, and it has nothing to do with social media exposure or 'dealing with millenials'. KP is also right, it would be a good time to bring back some of the other little niceties and perks. Better WDO pay. Upgradeability on DH's. An increase in the % we can purchase in ESOP and maybe raising the match. I would also appreciate some improvements in scheduling. Remove this 'best fit' nonsense on RSV.

Its not like this wasn't forecast. The pre 2015 group had the wool pulled over their eyes and the companies simply took advantage and jammed a 10 year contract down their throats all the while laughing their way to the bank. Time to nix this B scale, both here and at AC(rouge).
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Rowdy,
As one of the 2015, I'm finding this sense of entitlement from post 2015 to be somewhat frustrating, there was no wool over my eyes, there was two companies with lower wages and benefits gaining work while we were losing work and it was spelled out quite clearly that if we didn't "compete" this trend would continue.
Did you predict the current shortage of pilots at the end of 2014, I mean I've been hearing about it since 1990 and many before that but it never materialized, just a myth until now. Despite the current shortage, pilots continue to accept wages 30% less than their counterparts, going to Flair which has WJ launching a ULCC with, yes you guessed it, 30% lower pay. Do you think that they will be able to fill those seats?
Next, I would like to address something, you as a post 2015 pilot who is already in the left seat have more career earnings at Jazz than me as a one who could not hold left seat at any base until 9 years and that is only because of the PML and new contract.
Post 2015 pilot, assuming they take left seat as soon as they can hold it, after 3 years you're already ahead of me in earnings at 3 years and after 8 years you're 50g ahead of where I was at eight years. The retirements you count at YVR is also a result of the new contract, a pilot must choose before their 62nd birthday if they want a years pay to retire early, after that it's off the table.
If you think for a second you would have a job at Jazz right now if we hadn't agreed to this contract, you are the one with wool over your eyes, you would likely be at SR or GGN on their PML, which was probably plan B if we voted it down, of course nobody knows for sure but some facts cannot be disputed, we were shrinking and others were growing.
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I agree with mbav8r. Jazz is a great company to work for but AC simply wasn't going to allow them to be their only regional player and there was going to fleet reductions regardless. While it's not all things to all people, the 2015 agreement with the PML etc. was a game changer. I'd argue that even if Jazz still had the old contract and WAWCON but without the PML today, there would be an even bigger recruitment problem.

The one comment I'll add to mbav8r's post is that the WJ ULLC's WAWCON haven't been outlined so not sure where the 30% figure comes from. While it's fair to assume that WJ would like to offer lower pay for the operation, I think they may find the supply of pilots with the skills to fly a 737 for lower rates than already offered at WJ mainline is rather small.
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JBI,
The 30% was from a WJ pilot who told me Management has said they want a 30-35% pay reduction and are setting it up as a completely separate entity. Again to compete with Flair who now owns New Leaf and has a 30ish % advantage.
As for the supply, who knows maybe they make some type of deal with Encore pilots to avoid ALPA over there and offer a quick Upgrade at the ULCC, pilots being pilots will take the shortest path to the left seat of the 37, we are a very short sighted group for the most part, even as far as predicting the long awaited shortage just a year from beginning to occur myself and many others would say, " sure I'll believe it when I see it". Even now, you still hear, "grab a seat before the music stops"
I truly hope it continues and pilots are able to capitalize on it but after nearly 30 years of this industry, I'm only cautiously optimistic!
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Black_Tusk wrote:
rudder wrote:
Tail-Chaser wrote: attracting applicants. Hard to believe but true.
1) Raise the starting pay %20-30
2) 2x or 3x WDO pay
3) Lower the average days worked/month, even if it's just a day or two
4) Stop sticking everyone in YUL initially for 4-6 months when there are vacancies at all bases.

I think even just number 4 alone would attract a few more people. But pay is the number one. I am not going to WDO myself very often at only 1.5x on year one or two pay.

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1) no raise required. Just eliminate the draconian pay reduction of 2015 and put new-hire pay back to where it was in 2014 (that is much more than a 20-30% increase)
2) 1.5x nothing equals nothing. With reasonable entry level pay rates, subscription for overtime would increase. Jazz FA's get double time for third overtime day and beyond. Perhaps that concept should be implemented for the Jazz pilots.
3) pairing inefficiency is a huge problem at Jazz. It will only change if it gets on the company radar screen as a hiring or staffing problem.
4) ALPA fought to make the YUL crew base larger coincident with the dramatic reduction in YYZ. This is a problem where the blame can be shared equally between ALPA and Jazz. The YUL base size and flying allocation should be revisited with a view to redistributing as much flying as possible to YYZ/YYC/YVR thereby mitigating the problem with attracting and retaining YUL based new-hire pilots.
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mbav8r,

I 100% totally understand your frustration. There are quite a few entitled twats out there. Some that believe the company OWES them an ATPL and that because of this wild amount of movement that they deserve a Left Seat after a year of employment. :shock: That'll happen when all you can hire are 900-1300hr 20 year olds with the current WAWCON.

However there are many here at Jazz now post jan 2015 that were in the process BEFORE this new contract and wage scale. Had I not had a little medical upset in 2012 that saw me sitting sidelined I'd have likely been hired pre B scale.. There are also many that were waiting for the right time.

I'm not new. I'm not a millennial. I'm not 'low time'. I left a decent paying job for this as a look to the future. I knew full well that I would only take the offer if the list was moving and I could hold YVR asap with a relatively quick upgrade. If not, there was NO point in coming. I'd be at AT or SW or have continued trying for OTS at AC. There were better options. There ARE better options, and not just overseas.

While it could have been brushed off at the time, by all the cautious who have been told for 30 some odd years that the shortage was coming..Its apparent now through a few key indicators that this was coming. The push to 65 was a small stopgap. The globalization of the market, the reduction in CPL's and ATPL's in the country being achieved. Ever wonder why TC stopped showcasing the annual numbers? SKR and GGN were measures to lessen the impact and give AC the ability to shuffle flying amongst a few CPA's to avoid a giant surge, which was coming. Now we see the branding removed from all those Georgian 1900's. A pile of that RJ flying being covered by Jazz (as overtime for many) as they can't keep pilots and have difficulty maintaining their schedule. How about SKR? Where did those Q400's end up? Was it really believable that Jazz was going to see a fleet size reduction? Even now, the numbers have become very fluid. How many more RJ's did we take on instead? Call and ask dispatch off the record how many flights they've cancelled on any given day. Ask them why...

The AC pilot group are too costly for the regional flying. The memo that went out from Claude makes me chuckle. Simply smoke and mirrors to help them facilitate this negotiating agenda. Only the extremely cautious and worried previous generation will take that bait. Maybe they're planning to remove some of the scope as concessions at AC and move the C series to SKR or Jazz or a new entity? Time will tell..

Your comments about FLAIR and the potential WJ ULCC aren't even a blip on my radar. How many pilots does FLAIR employ? How many planes? what are their load factors? Hows the cost index? Profitable? Pretty small and insignificant in comparison to the 1400 here, the 4k at AC and the equally large pilot group at WJ and WJE. The ULCC doesn't exist. No planes. No pilots. Very small market. I'd see it as another negotiating tactic. I'll keep my realistic and perhaps optimistic mindset at this point. How do you foresee the ALPA CBA that will come out of the works at GGN? How long before SKR isn't on par or better, with representation than us? You really think they'll keep flying those EMB's at a discount in this environment? Would you not foresee some of that flying coming back our way should that happen?

The notion that this PML was a godsend and 'we wouldn't be here without all of this' is also farcical. It was only 'ok' for those that were stagnant in the right seat at Jazz pre 2015. Now? Its a joke. v2.0 would have you better off OTS after being a DEC at Encore. Which is probably what they'd prefer anyways :wink:

I'm a little disenchanted with our negotiators and MEC at this point. From the perspective of a B-scaler, we lack representation. Have a look at the numbers. Over 60% of the membership is now Post January 2015. Do you see anyone on the new contract negotiating for us? Sure they tell us they have the entire memberships best interest, but its hard to believe when I hear they axed the improvements the company offered.. I hope to be proven wrong. If not, we know how the next vote will turn out.

rudder is on the right track. Eliminate the language regarding the 'classic' airline. Return to the pre 2015 pay scale. Improve the WDO and overtime. How come we don't get AMU's for reassignments? Maybe a bit better ESOP.. I'd like to see something sustainable... We're not asking for anything outlandish.
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Rowdy wrote:Maybe a bit better ESOP.. I'd like to see something sustainable... We're not asking for anything outlandish.
ESOP is the purview of Jazz and CHR. It is independent of the labour agreements at Jazz. It could be improved if they wanted it to be improved (i.e. return to 100% match). They choose not to.

And APIP. At AC even a new-hire is receiving $8000+/yr under their financial performance reward program. At Jazz, it is zero. Meanwhile, CHR and Jazz executives cash in stock options worth hundreds of thousands of dollars.

And PMLv2.0 is not working out for many Jazz new-hire pilots.

It would appear in many cases that Jazz seems comfortable where it is choosing not to make improvements where such improvements could be made outside of collective bargaining. And then sets up focus groups to see what is wrong.

It is at best confusing and at worst disappointing. Status quo is not a realistic option any longer.
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Rowdy wrote:mbav8r,

I 100% totally understand your frustration. There are quite a few entitled twats out there. Some that believe the company OWES them an ATPL and that because of this wild amount of movement that they deserve a Left Seat after a year of employment. :shock: That'll happen when all you can hire are 900-1300hr 20 year olds with the current WAWCON.

However there are many here at Jazz now post jan 2015 that were in the process BEFORE this new contract and wage scale. Had I not had a little medical upset in 2012 that saw me sitting sidelined I'd have likely been hired pre B scale.. There are also many that were waiting for the right time.

I'm not new. I'm not a millennial. I'm not 'low time'. I left a decent paying job for this as a look to the future. I knew full well that I would only take the offer if the list was moving and I could hold YVR asap with a relatively quick upgrade. If not, there was NO point in coming. I'd be at AT or SW or have continued trying for OTS at AC. There were better options. There ARE better options, and not just overseas.

While it could have been brushed off at the time, by all the cautious who have been told for 30 some odd years that the shortage was coming..Its apparent now through a few key indicators that this was coming. The push to 65 was a small stopgap. The globalization of the market, the reduction in CPL's and ATPL's in the country being achieved. Ever wonder why TC stopped showcasing the annual numbers? SKR and GGN were measures to lessen the impact and give AC the ability to shuffle flying amongst a few CPA's to avoid a giant surge, which was coming. Now we see the branding removed from all those Georgian 1900's. A pile of that RJ flying being covered by Jazz (as overtime for many) as they can't keep pilots and have difficulty maintaining their schedule. How about SKR? Where did those Q400's end up? Was it really believable that Jazz was going to see a fleet size reduction? Even now, the numbers have become very fluid. How many more RJ's did we take on instead? Call and ask dispatch off the record how many flights they've cancelled on any given day. Ask them why...

The AC pilot group are too costly for the regional flying. The memo that went out from Claude makes me chuckle. Simply smoke and mirrors to help them facilitate this negotiating agenda. Only the extremely cautious and worried previous generation will take that bait. Maybe they're planning to remove some of the scope as concessions at AC and move the C series to SKR or Jazz or a new entity? Time will tell..

Your comments about FLAIR and the potential WJ ULCC aren't even a blip on my radar. How many pilots does FLAIR employ? How many planes? what are their load factors? Hows the cost index? Profitable? Pretty small and insignificant in comparison to the 1400 here, the 4k at AC and the equally large pilot group at WJ and WJE. The ULCC doesn't exist. No planes. No pilots. Very small market. I'd see it as another negotiating tactic. I'll keep my realistic and perhaps optimistic mindset at this point. How do you foresee the ALPA CBA that will come out of the works at GGN? How long before SKR isn't on par or better, with representation than us? You really think they'll keep flying those EMB's at a discount in this environment? Would you not foresee some of that flying coming back our way should that happen?

The notion that this PML was a godsend and 'we wouldn't be here without all of this' is also farcical. It was only 'ok' for those that were stagnant in the right seat at Jazz pre 2015. Now? Its a joke. v2.0 would have you better off OTS after being a DEC at Encore. Which is probably what they'd prefer anyways :wink:

I'm a little disenchanted with our negotiators and MEC at this point. From the perspective of a B-scaler, we lack representation. Have a look at the numbers. Over 60% of the membership is now Post January 2015. Do you see anyone on the new contract negotiating for us? Sure they tell us they have the entire memberships best interest, but its hard to believe when I hear they axed the improvements the company offered.. I hope to be proven wrong. If not, we know how the next vote will turn out.

rudder is on the right track. Eliminate the language regarding the 'classic' airline. Return to the pre 2015 pay scale. Improve the WDO and overtime. How come we don't get AMU's for reassignments? Maybe a bit better ESOP.. I'd like to see something sustainable... We're not asking for anything outlandish.
Very well said. Just in response to the new contract and representation, the problem I have found is too many people are focused on AC and don't want to "ruffle feathers" by getting involved. They don't want to get involved because they don't know how and think it will only hurt them in the future with their AC goals.. I even had a friend not want to book off when he was very ill because he was on probation. Thought it would look bad. Give it a few years, once half of these pilots get PFO'd from AC maybe then they will start to get involved. Hopefully it won't be too late by then.

You can get involved with the union, voice concerns and help up the WAWCON for those that come after you. Took me 2 years to get to Jazz which I know was very fast. I thought I had it very very good. Now pilots coming after me now are getting interviews at 6 months of 703 flying. Am I mad? Not at all, I am happy for them and want to help improve things for those who come after me. I'd love to see a nice fat pay raise on my year one/two FO pay.. chances are it won't happen anytime soon and I'll likely be in the left seat before it happens. I will still fight for it to happen so people who come next can benefit.
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flyer 1492 wrote:Hmmmm...How about offering more money?
Low salary and with the current rumoured numbers, almost a non existent flow through. They still want to meet the new guys to know WTF is wrong.
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All DAY EVERY DAY wrote:
flyer 1492 wrote:Hmmmm...How about offering more money?
Low salary and with the current rumoured numbers, almost a non existent flow through. They still want to meet the new guys to know WTF is wrong.
I went through the September schedules for all bases and could only find 4 or 5 pilots from Jazz on the Sept 11 AC course. So the up to 80% PML might actually mean 80% from places other than Jazz! :roll:
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Rowdy,
Isn't hindsight a wonderful thing, however we were/are one SARS event away from not having a pilot shortage, if you've been around as long as you say you would recognize that.
Yes it was believable that a reduction would come if we didn't agree, in fact shortly after we signed the deal, SR and GGN both received more work and we were ruduced as per the new arrangement. Yes, there has been some growth but we are still smaller than we were, even 6 years ago.
WJ wasn't a blip on ACs radar back in 96 either, they won't make that mistake again!
Basically everything you see now was not possible without the new contract, 15 retirements per year while we were being reduced to the bare minimum the CPA allowed was not a palatable option, now as you say the post 2015 pilots outnumber the pre, that was talked about amongst the pilot group before the vote and is a concern, of course. I hope the negotiations are on behalf of ALL Jazz pilots and I've said this before, this contract had essentially NO improvements for the current(at the time) pilots, why in the world do you feel that the pilots who are choosing to stay, who were here before you should not see improvement, so you can! A big raise for you and all the post 2015 pilots and nothing for the others is acceptable to you! That's what was rumoured to be on offer.
All the improvements you and Black tusk et al. talk about will not happen unless the company decides to, everything has a cost and we signed a ten year cost neutral contract, improvements to something will need to be offset elsewhere. That was the cost of the lifeline being offered, talk about markers and signs all you want but without a crystal ball or consultation with Nostradamus, it could not have been predicted.
You seem unhappy with the fact you will make at least 50g more than I did in the first 8 years of your employment, please don't take this the wrong way, maybe you should look at those "better options" because I sincerely doubt you will see the improvements you desire anytime in the next 8 years, remember "cost neutral" and vote how you want but it won't matter, we can't have any job action either. So, vote with your feet, maybe that'll send a message
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I hear the same rhetoric from you time and time again. 'Don't like it, leave.'. 'It was our only choice' 'They threw us this lifeline'. You mimic the same words I hear from our reps.

This is NOT how we move forward and get back what was taken away. Sure, some things just simply can't happen (DB pension) and I never once said we all don't deserve an increase. I'd just like to see the B scale disappear and a mild improvement for EVERYONE. Go back re-read my posts. I said a sustainable increase for everyone! But you'd rather focus on how us post 2015'ers are a bunch of entitled whiny shmucks that don't know how hard times were and pontificate on all of the things you didn't see in hindsight.

We are not one SARS event away from stagnation. Not even close. Take a look south of the 49 or anywhere else in the world. Shit is going to hit the fan HARD for the airlines that do not adapt and make the best of the currently happening worldwide shortage. You don't think the american carriers aren't already pushing for changes that'll allow them to keep staffed? Won't be long and you'll see more subsidized flight training, more bonuses, increased wawcon (and not just at the regional level) and a HUGE push to easily validate foreign ATPL's and allow easy access to green cards for pilots. Should we be posting the current bonus and retention packages and commuting schedules being offered by the american regionals and a bunch of the foreign carriers? Or will you ignore this too? Did a large american carrier not just throw a pile of increases at its pilot populace outside of contract negotiations? Look at what Porter is offering as well!

We have the opportunity now to improve WAWCON, by removing the B scale and making gentle/sustainable gains for the entire group. Yet you'd rather argue about things that happened in the past.

My worst fear now is that with our declining performance, that AC will remove flying as we can't maintain staffing levels due to the B scale pay scam. Watch those arrival and departure boards on the daily.. they're pretty freakin' red.
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Rowdy have you thought about joining the bargaining committee? I've been looking into it, and speaking to some of the union reps they want more people on the new contract joining. People who can learn and take over as the old guard starts to retire.
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I am looking to become more involved. I actively am pursuing a couple of areas now :wink:
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