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Re: Jazz Reqiurements?

#76 Post by JBI » Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:35 am

That's a good point, but I thought one of the reasons for the diversification of the AC regional flying wasn't just a reduction in costs but also more insurance in the case of the a labour disruption. I wasn't directly following the events in 2010, but I was under the impression that both the Jazz pilots and flight attendants were looking to strike in 2010 and AC didn't have any options if the strike did occur. From that perspective at least, there is a benefit to splitting up the AC Express Flying (I'm not condoning this nor suggesting it is a "good" thing, just some thoughts as to why AC may be opposed to consolidating the AC Express brands).
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#77 Post by rudder » Mon Aug 28, 2017 2:32 pm

JBI wrote:That's a good point, but I thought one of the reasons for the diversification of the AC regional flying wasn't just a reduction in costs but also more insurance in the case of the a labour disruption. I wasn't directly following the events in 2010, but I was under the impression that both the Jazz pilots and flight attendants were looking to strike in 2010 and AC didn't have any options if the strike did occur. From that perspective at least, there is a benefit to splitting up the AC Express Flying (I'm not condoning this nor suggesting it is a "good" thing, just some thoughts as to why AC may be opposed to consolidating the AC Express brands).
The only Express labour groups that are guaranteed NOT to be on strike between now and 2025 are Jazz.

AC may have diversified the Express feed but they have also seen and experienced the unanticipated challenges and consequences.

At the end of the day, the goal for AC is cost certainty and reliability. AC should pursue the outcome that best achieves those objectives while understanding that the supply of pilot labour is dwindling.
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Re: Jazz Reqiurements?

#78 Post by LennyLeonard » Thu Oct 26, 2017 2:48 pm

Is multi time still the ticket in or is PC12 time good enough given the state of things?
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#79 Post by FL-280 » Thu Oct 26, 2017 3:29 pm

LennyLeonard wrote:Is multi time still the ticket in or is PC12 time good enough given the state of things?
For some reason, it isn't good enough. From my understanding, 250 multi is still a hard minimum. Someone will tell you I know I guy, yeah ok, some guys come in right out of college too. Life isn't fair, specially in the airlines.
I have been made aware of some guys getting a call at 700-800 hours, interviewed and told: just build a bit more time.

Apply though, get your application in the lot. You never know. 400 pilots to be hired in 2018!

** FYI, I have pc12 time and I know what it is worth, specially if PIC. Company should respect the pc12 time as other regionals do. I mean; right on the encore website they specify multi or high performance single....

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#80 Post by speedah » Thu Oct 26, 2017 6:27 pm

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Stu Pidasso wrote:Jazz has been hiring 250 hour Pilots, right from College, for years. It would seem to me if you are now hiring 1000 hr guys - they should be considered High Timers.

The industry is exploding for Pilots, enjoy the ride. Let's hope they open the border and all the young Pilots can apply to the US Majors. That will put a fast end to the starvation wages offered by the Canadian outfits and all the general aviation clowns that have been exploiting Pilots with ramp and dispatch jobs......

Can go straight to "Out of Business!" Poetic Justice
While I can appreciate what you're saying, the fact is Jazz was hiring 10 or so college grads per year based on the top performers in the graduating class, they were still hiring experienced pilots and as of lately that pool is drying up, now the majority is likely under 1500 hours but I don't know that I'm just guessing.
Just want to add something I heard the other day and I'm certain if somebody ran the number it would agree, a new hire pilot today will break even after three years when compared to pilots on the old contract and movement, and after eight years will be 50g ahead assuming they take the upgrade as soon as they can hold it.
My vintage, it was 9 years before I could even hold a left seat at any base and before me it was an even longer wait. As someone pointed out, this bid will likely upgrade some with 7-8 months in the company, which I believe was the entire intention of this new contract.
The second part of your post regarding them going straight out of business, couldn't agree more!
Jazz is going to be hiring somewhere in the neighbourhood of 60 college grads this year. It will be similar or higher next year.
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#81 Post by goingnowherefast » Fri Oct 27, 2017 3:03 am

Oh man, the amount of fun those kids are going to miss out on. Fire detection low level, running along empty over the bush at 300' on a beautiful day, the people you meet flying 703. The comradery in the crew house, hangar stories from the old guys, bonfires, waterskiing behind the crash boat, etc. Not to mention the hard learned lessons that 703 charter work teaches about saying no, developing instincts and just good old fashioned personal development. I wouldn't wish a airline FL250 job on anybody right out of college. Seems almost cruel to deny them those experiences.
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#82 Post by Stan Darsh » Fri Oct 27, 2017 7:10 am

Meh, I don't blame anyone for taking the opportunities presented to them. I bet Jazz looks very close to the end game a lot of fresh CPLs envision.
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#83 Post by goingnowherefast » Sat Oct 28, 2017 6:44 am

That is true. Ignorance is bliss, if you don't know what you are missing, how can you miss it?
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#84 Post by av8ts » Sun Oct 29, 2017 4:38 am

While the college guys/girls coming to Jazz will have great careers they are definitely missing the most fun part of aviation. Also places where you make lifelong friends
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#85 Post by KenoraPilot » Sun Oct 29, 2017 6:05 pm

av8ts wrote:While the college guys/girls coming to Jazz will have great careers they are definitely missing the most fun part of aviation. Also places where you make lifelong friends

Amen! :prayer: :prayer: :prayer:
I wouldn’t give up my experiences for any career advancements
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#86 Post by fmaugurati » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:38 am

goingnowherefast wrote:Oh man, the amount of fun those kids are going to miss out on. Fire detection low level, running along empty over the bush at 300' on a beautiful day, the people you meet flying 703. The comradery in the crew house, hangar stories from the old guys, bonfires, waterskiing behind the crash boat, etc. Not to mention the hard learned lessons that 703 charter work teaches about saying no, developing instincts and just good old fashioned personal development. I wouldn't wish a airline FL250 job on anybody right out of college. Seems almost cruel to deny them those experiences.
AMEN to that!
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#87 Post by Rupert_Pupkin » Wed Nov 01, 2017 10:12 am

goingnowherefast wrote:Oh man, the amount of fun those kids are going to miss out on. Fire detection low level, running along empty over the bush at 300' on a beautiful day, the people you meet flying 703. The comradery in the crew house, hangar stories from the old guys, bonfires, waterskiing behind the crash boat, etc. Not to mention the hard learned lessons that 703 charter work teaches about saying no, developing instincts and just good old fashioned personal development. I wouldn't wish a airline FL250 job on anybody right out of college. Seems almost cruel to deny them those experiences.
How those company's are going to staff there airlines I have no idea.....
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#88 Post by yycinformer » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:18 pm

anyone have any idea what the current backlog is in the call back process?
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#89 Post by PostmasterGeneral » Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:30 pm

None that I know of. Two of my friends just got on here less than a week ago, and both got called with the offer the day after their medical.
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#90 Post by yycinformer » Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:37 pm

How about call back times after you hit the apply button and/or where they are currently hiring at TT wise
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#91 Post by North Shore » Thu Nov 23, 2017 8:07 am

Rupert_Pupkin wrote:
Wed Nov 01, 2017 10:12 am
goingnowherefast wrote:Oh man, the amount of fun those kids are going to miss out on. Fire detection low level, running along empty over the bush at 300' on a beautiful day, the people you meet flying 703. The comradery in the crew house, hangar stories from the old guys, bonfires, waterskiing behind the crash boat, etc. Not to mention the hard learned lessons that 703 charter work teaches about saying no, developing instincts and just good old fashioned personal development. I wouldn't wish a airline FL250 job on anybody right out of college. Seems almost cruel to deny them those experiences.
How those company's are going to staff there airlines I have no idea.....
There will always be guy/gals who want to be one of the few, not the many; or those who are from/like living in small towns vs 'the big smoke'...
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#92 Post by PostmasterGeneral » Thu Nov 23, 2017 9:43 am

yycinformer wrote:
Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:37 pm
How about call back times after you hit the apply button and/or where they are currently hiring at TT wise
I think the lowest time guy I’ve heard of outside of the college kids had 1,200 TT or so. That being said, multi crew turbine is worth a LOT more than time spent in a 172 flying circuits or instructing it seems. As far as when you’ll hear back after applying, that’s anyone’s guess. I’ve seen everywhere from 3 weeks to 4 months. HR is flooded with applications right now, and the holiday season is fast approaching. If you just applied, I would think you’d hear back by the spring on whether or not to expect an interview.
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#93 Post by goingnowherefast » Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:15 am

I know of guys in the 800 to 900hr range being hired. They had some multi pic too, however it is all ifr, 2-crew 703 time. Not sure if they had their AAs written or just IATRA.
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#94 Post by KenoraPilot » Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:19 pm

Just did sim with a sim veal guy and he says we’re hiring quite a few around the 800TT mark now.
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#95 Post by Speedalive » Fri Nov 24, 2017 9:50 am

They’ve recently lowered the requirements to 500TT from 1000 if you went to one of the college’s with a Jazz Pathways program and didn’t get in right after graduation.
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#96 Post by yycinformer » Fri Nov 24, 2017 11:29 am

I think the lowest time guy I’ve heard of outside of the college kids had 1,200 TT or so. That being said, multi crew turbine is worth a LOT more than time spent in a 172 flying circuits or instructing it seems. As far as when you’ll hear back after applying, that’s anyone’s guess. I’ve seen everywhere from 3 weeks to 4 months. HR is flooded with applications right now, and the holiday season is fast approaching. If you just applied, I would think you’d hear back by the spring on whether or not to expect an interview.
Well that makes me feel a little better. I'm over 1800TT with multi crew turbine time but just applied beginning of the month
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#97 Post by phipper99 » Mon Nov 27, 2017 12:10 pm

yycinformer wrote:
Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:37 pm
How about call back times after you hit the apply button and/or where they are currently hiring at TT wise
I updated my profile at the start of November and got a call back about a week later. I have about 1150 Hours and my AA written. About 400 Multi PIC to. All Navajo time. But guys are definitely being call with 7 to 800 hours. Haven't Heard back yet about my interview though.

Honestly who knows what the requirements are anymore
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#98 Post by Oxi » Mon Nov 27, 2017 2:46 pm

800 and 200 multi is their "ACE" candidate.
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#99 Post by 7507 » Wed Jan 03, 2018 6:15 am

BE10_Driver wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:58 pm
When I first read this thread I thought my application at Jazz was useless with only 800TT, but here I am 1 month later with a job offer and a groundschool date in July.

If you really want the job, just keep applying and they'll call eventually.

It's great to see you kept at it and got the job, congrats. How much of that 800 total time was multi engine time ?

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#100 Post by BE10_Driver » Wed Jan 03, 2018 7:06 pm

7507 wrote:
Wed Jan 03, 2018 6:15 am
It's great to see you kept at it and got the job, congrats. How much of that 800 total time was multi engine time ?

Thanks

Thanks!

Of 800TT I had 500+ hours of multi time when they called, mostly right seat King Air and some single pilot PIC on light piston twins (702-703).

Good luck with your application!
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