Pilot in Waiting.

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Every operator that uses them commercially.
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Cat Driver wrote:Maybe it would be an opportunity to get to learn to fly an airplane better?

Sure, if you mean learning how to fly overweight, and push weather, while ignoring maintenance requirements or MEL's. Then yes, Buffalo is a great place to "learn".

At least grooming seat backs will be the least of your concerns, so a jump to WJ or Encore will seem like heaven instead of "beneath our profession". :mrgreen:
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Well I can't really relate to what working for Joe is like because I never worked for him.

However it is interesting getting the facts outlined from someone who knows what it was like, thanks for sharing Donald.
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Pictured: one of these pilots after hire.
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"I would have loved to fly a DC3 along with Twin Otter, Beaver and some kind of King Air. If I would have gotten into aviation younger than I did I would have stayed flying in remote Canada a lot longer." :roll:

Northern Ontario is not remote Canada bud. And flying on gravel strips doesn't make you a bush pilot. Just saying.
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AH6-Overwatch wrote:"I would have loved to fly a DC3 along with Twin Otter, Beaver and some kind of King Air. If I would have gotten into aviation younger than I did I would have stayed flying in remote Canada a lot longer." :roll:

Northern Ontario is not remote Canada bud. And flying on gravel strips doesn't make you a bush pilot. Just saying.
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AH6-Overwatch wrote:"I would have loved to fly a DC3 along with Twin Otter, Beaver and some kind of King Air. If I would have gotten into aviation younger than I did I would have stayed flying in remote Canada a lot longer." :roll:

Northern Ontario is not remote Canada bud. And flying on gravel strips doesn't make you a bush pilot. Just saying.

Where did I say bush pilot? And yeah, Northern Ontario is pretty remote.

Why didn't you quote me properly, or was it just a jab hoping I wouldn't see?
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Well, remote is probably a description that will vary from person to person based on how far they have been from Toronto, but for sure Northern Ontario does have some places that can be described as deplorable such as Attawapiskat.

So flying in that area is a real experience that will give you a new outlook on just how your Government really works.
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Cat Driver wrote:Well, remote is probably a description that will vary from person to person based on how far they have been from Toronto, but for sure Northern Ontario does have some places that can be described as deplorable such as Attawapiskat.

So flying in that area is a real experience that will give you a new outlook on just how your Government really works.
Isn't that the truth. While I haven't been to Attawapiskat, I've been to numerous other reserves as far as Fort Severn and it's quite shocking the conditions our government allows Canadians to live in. Now that can start the whole debate as to weather they should even be up there in the first place, and how money should be spent but that still doesn't mean it's OK for a 5 year old to be sleeping on a dirt floor of a one bedroom shack with 12 other people in nothing but shorts, and roam the streets alone during the day.
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It has been like that since I flew up there in the late fifties and it will not change in our lifetimes because those conditions support a massive government bureaucracy that costs us Billions a year to support the maggots that feed inside the bureaucracy.

The best way to get changes is to give every bureaucrat in the Department of Indian Affairs and all the Chiefs a choice.

Move to the reserve of your choice and stay there until the conditions are like the rest of Canada or you are out of work.

That would start the process.
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Cat Driver wrote:Well, remote is probably a description that will vary from person to person based on how far they have been from Toronto, but for sure Northern Ontario does have some places that can be described as deplorable such as Attawapiskat.

So flying in that area is a real experience that will give you a new outlook on just how your Government really works.
Amen brother!
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Canada is what South Africa used to be.
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Any idea of how long people are waiting in Yellowknife these days ? With the current market I hope nobody's waiting 1 1/2 - 2 years anymore...
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Cheftony wrote:Any idea of how long people are waiting in Yellowknife these days ? With the current market I hope nobody's waiting 1 1/2 - 2 years anymore...
Sadly I know people who went up there and are still on the ramp 1.5 yrs later..
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Another ad for this pilot in waiting crap. Especially with this day and age, I truly hope that people aren't actually still wasting away their lives doing this. Also what's with So many requirements just to be a rampie for 2 years
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As a former owner of several aviation companies I would like to point out the owner of a company only owes a pilot for what that pilot can produce not what they think they can produce.

If you can make money for the company you will not have to worry to much about a job.
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Cat Driver wrote:

If you can make money for the company you will not have to worry to much about a job.
Such a simple principle.

And so hard to understand. :roll:
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If they are not taught values and responsibility when they are young you get a society of people who are entitled and are taught that they are owed anything they want.

The concept of work for pay is beyond their comprehension.

I am sure happy I do not have to run a business in today's world of the entitled.
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Cat Driver wrote:If they are not taught values and responsibility when they are young you get a society of people who are entitled and are taught that they are owed anything they want.

The concept of work for pay is beyond their comprehension.

I am sure happy I do not have to run a business in today's world of the entitled.
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I have a question I'd love an answer to:

How many who've progressed to their CPL, in the last 5 years or so, have done it without any help from the bank of Mom and Dad?

Those (very few I'd imagine) who answer in the affirmative.....kudos.
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Cat Driver wrote:If they are not taught values and responsibility when they are young you get a society of people who are entitled and are taught that they are owed anything they want.

The concept of work for pay is beyond their comprehension.

I am sure happy I do not have to run a business in today's world of the entitled.
What? This makes absolutely no sense. They're entitled, and think they deserve everything, but they work for free? If they're entitled then they should be expecting to get paid lots to fly big fancy airplanes, and not sell themselves short by accepting a ramp job. Haven't you been harping on for years about how pilots shouldn't accept anything but flying jobs, and anyone who works the ramp is wasting their license? Now that's actually possible, with fresh CPLs going straight into cockpits, and that makes them lazy? This loathing of anyone younger than you is really getting tiresome.
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