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Re: C series

#26 Post by scopiton » Sun Feb 21, 2016 3:33 pm

60% discount and charges concerning AVEOS were dropped.
smart move from AC and you can be pretty sure that Bombardier and the Qc gov representatives were begging for a deal at any price.
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Re: C series

#27 Post by teacher » Mon Feb 22, 2016 9:06 am

From CIBC World Markets' latest report on Air Canada:
2. C Series Decision - Significant Savings: The decision to acquire the C Series had many direct and indirect positive implications. Firstly, it reflects the fact that the ERJs in the fleet today will hit a maintenance wall in 2021 and the economics of investing in this existing fleet did not make sense. As such the company's LOI for 45 firm CS300s and an option for 30 more are to replace these aircraft. Given that the C Series is a more efficient plane, and we suspect a healthy discount from list price, the payback from this investment is very attractive. Secondly, with 25 E190s in the fleet at the end of 2016, a chunk of the CS300s coming in are replacing existing aircraft with growth opportunities coming from the aircraft providing more point-to-point options. As well, we believe the C Series could be used in rouge as a potential future replacement for the A319s. Thirdly, AC has ensured that the delivery of the C Series is post its refleeting of the 787s and towards the end of when the 737 MAX come in so that it does not stress the balance sheet. And lastly, in conjunction with the C Series order, the Quebec Government dropped its litigation related to AC in regard to maintenance activity being performed in the province (AC agreed to have its C Series airframe heavy maintenance work performed in Quebec) and the Federal Government is reviewing the Air Canada Public Participation Act as it relates to maintenance activities
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Re: C series

#28 Post by rudder » Tue Feb 23, 2016 8:00 am

Rouge does not need C-series to replace the 319's. It needs the 737MAX which will have the lowest per seat operating cost in the narrow body class in a bulked up seating configuration.

Any idea what the pay rate will be on the C-series using the weight/speed formula? Clearly it will be far above the E190 but below the blended rate mainline NB Airbus rate.
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Re: C series

#29 Post by aV1aTOr » Tue Feb 23, 2016 10:22 am

rudder wrote:Rouge does not need C-series to replace the 319's. It needs the 737MAX which will have the lowest per seat operating cost in the narrow body class in a bulked up seating configuration.

Any idea what the pay rate will be on the C-series using the weight/speed formula? Clearly it will be far above the E190 but below the blended rate mainline NB Airbus rate.
I've been wondering the same thing. And for that matter (at the risk of thread drift), anyone done the math on what the blended 737 MAX pay rates will be? Same as A320 pay, or a touch better?
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Re: C series

#30 Post by Gino Under » Mon Feb 29, 2016 7:03 pm

Since there have been some interesting comments made here, I thought I'd set the record straight on a couple of them.

1. Bombardier doesn't sell aircraft in Cdn dollars. They only sell in U.S. Dollars, just like all the other OEMs. For obvious reasons.

2. The CS100 CASM is the lowest in the airline industry. Their isn't a Boeing anywhere near it.

3. Air Canada has been looking at the C series for a long time. So have a number of legacy airlines. British Airways among them. I doubt they would have bought the aeroplane if it didn't fit their fleet planning and its commercial viability looking to the future.

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Re: C series

#31 Post by Old fella » Tue Mar 01, 2016 12:44 pm

Glad you intend to get the record straight Gino, but it should be " There isn't a Boeing anywhere near it"
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Re: C series

#32 Post by Gino Under » Wed Mar 02, 2016 2:48 pm

Right you are. Oops.

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Re: C series

#33 Post by Old fella » Thu Mar 03, 2016 11:14 am

Taking the "their" out of the"there", your knowledge on the subject at hand is certainly well above mine. Syntax aside, I would be unarmed going up against you on many of the topics discussed.

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Re: C series

#34 Post by Cseriesfan » Thu Sep 14, 2017 3:20 pm

New to the forum. Any news or additional details on the CS300 arrival at AC? Any recent news on how it could be used? Will it still fly for mainline or would they be considered for Rouge? What's the latest?
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Re: C series

#35 Post by Gino Under » Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:35 am

There is no sign of life regarding C series at Air Canada.
Perhaps their focus is on the Max right now. Possibly even due to the fact they won't see the C till 2019 (or so).

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Re: C series

#36 Post by sanjet » Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:05 am

Gino is right. Lots to investment and preparation for the 737.


The only thing I heard, AC might actually order more c-series (if the price is right).
http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/air-can ... -1.4370933
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Re: C series

#37 Post by Gino Under » Mon Nov 13, 2017 6:53 am

With Delta delaying C series entry until the Airbus plant in Alabama can deliver, it could give Air Canada (Rouge) the opportunity to see the CS300 earlier than planned. Bombardier has to renegotiate some deliveries now that Airbus is taking over the program.

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Re: C series

#38 Post by Rockie » Mon Nov 13, 2017 7:20 am

Gino Under wrote:With Delta delaying C series entry until the Airbus plant in Alabama can deliver, it could give Air Canada (Rouge) the opportunity to see the CS300 earlier than planned. Bombardier has to renegotiate some deliveries now that Airbus is taking over the program.

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While they may be available sooner I just can't see AC getting them sooner. It's a very aggressive program bringing the 737 into the fleet and I think we're "maxed" out.
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Re: C series

#39 Post by rudder » Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:32 am

The DAL orders are CS100’s. The AC order is CS300’s. While I am certain that there is a substitution provision in the purchase agreement, I am not sure that AC is interested in the smaller version.
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Re: C series

#40 Post by Gino Under » Wed Nov 15, 2017 8:00 pm

The difference between the 100 and 300 is simply a fuselage plug. That’s it.
Bombardier doesn’t need to make any exception during production or special changes in production line order.
In fact, if Delta decided they wanted to convert an in-service 100 into a 300, there’s an STC that allows Bombardier to split the fuselage, drop in the fuselage plug and voila... the 100 is now a 300. Way les$$ than buying a brand new aircraft and waiting for it to be built.

The unidentified European carrier that ordered 31 should have a better than expected delivery schedule as a result of Deltas delay.

Delta might be the first North American airline to operate into LCY. Unless Air Canada has similar ideas and gets a few aircraft early. Including some 100s if they’ve noticed it’s versatility?
It’s up to the route planners in the end.

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