Dellen Millard trial

[ChrisEvans]

To clarify, a 1st degree murder conviction actually means an inmate is then able to apply for day parole (half way house) at 22 years, and full parole at 25 years. It also means, if the inmate is granted full parole at anytime - he remain on full parole until the day he dies. Parole officers have the discretion to send the person back to prison at anytime - for any reason - then the inmate has 90 days once returned to prison to see parole board - who decide on release - or how much jail time until next release!!

Upon multiple convictions - if the judge sentences to consecutive terms - the judge has the discretion - to set any parole eligibility date from minimum 25 years - which they could leave - to the full length of the term. For example Millard could end up with a 75 year term with a 40 year minimum eligibility date for full parole.

Millard's lawyer will get the disclosure for the other murders - he should know if the crown has the evidence for a conviction and if so - should cut a deal.

As far as the new laws for sentencing - nobody has challenged the new law in court, if they do, then it is possible to have the sentences reduced to concurrent (maximum 25 years).

[boogs82]

They changed it in 2011. The judge can (but is not required to) now order the sentences to be served consecutively if the murders were committed after Dec. 2, 2011. All 3, Bosma, Wayne Millard, and Dellen's ex were killed after that.

Hence why I said sentences are more often than not served concurrently.

As stated, parole ineligibility may be set consecutively as well.

The only three cases that have seen consecutive life sentencing and parole ineligibility in Canada so far have been Travis Baumgartner for the armoured car murders in Alberta in 2011, Justin Bourque for the RCMP murders in New Brunswick in 2014, and Christopher Husbands from the Eaton Centre shooting in 2012.

It'll be interesting to follow that's for sure.

[North Shore]

Seems that Millard is representing himself for his next trial. IIRC, there's an old legal saying along the lines of "A man who represents himself in court has a fool for a client" One wonders if Millard is just doing it to twist the knife in his ex's parents...
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/l ... -1.4367180

[Inverted2]

He's just representing himself to get some attention and have some fun in his mind. He knows he's not ever getting out of prison once they slap another 25 (or 50- the dad) years on him. They could make a movie about this guy.

[crazyaviator]

just revictimizing the innocent ones! Where is the vigilante justice when you need it?

[YYZSaabGuy]

just revictimizing the innocent ones! Where is the vigilante justice when you need it?

Yes. Nothing says "civilized" better than a good, pre-trial lynching.

[A346Dude]

just revictimizing the innocent ones! Where is the vigilante justice when you need it?

Yes. Nothing says "civilized" better than a good, pre-trial lynching.

While I agree with you in principle, Millard is already a convicted murderer.

[Cat Driver]

, pre-trial lynching.

did you mean " post trial lynching?

[photofly]

While I agree with you in principle, ...

I don't see this is a principle that is amenable to exceptions. If it doesn't apply to everyone, it doesn't apply to anyone at all.

After all, it's not the good people who have any need to be protected from the mob.

[A346Dude]

You're right. My post was a response to the "pre-trial" comment.

So I'm against vigilante justice in this case, but not because Millard might be a good guy who could be innocent of murder.

[photofly]

It's fascinating listening to the CBC dancing around not giving any indication of his background or recent history *at all* while reporting the current trial. It's obvious there are severe reporting restrictions in place.

[crazyaviator]

While I agree with you in principle, Millard is already a convicted murderer.

So now this piece of dog excrement gets to examine the innocent girls father and rub her life all over his honour AFTER he has been sentenced to 1st degree murder ( premeditated over a friggin lust for a truck )

Justice????? NO it is a kangaroo court. He should be summarily shot, but now he will cost INNOCENT taxpayers MILLIONS!

Let me guess, 3 1st degree murders and he gets out in 20 years with good behaviour?

[trey kule]

As far as the new laws for sentencing - nobody has challenged the new law in court, if they do, then it is possible to have the sentences reduced to concurrent (maximum 25 years).

Just to be clear....Life is life. Your use of the( maximum 25 years )is misleading.
The 25 year is for full parole eligibility, though there is a 15 year faint hope clause.
Consecutive sentences really do not make a difference except for a parole eligibility date, and that date is just....an eligabity date..not a guarantee.

So, Millard having one life sentence could spend the rest of his life behind bars.
Consecutive sentences only give the public reassurance, more than any practical application.

As a bit of history, the 25 year parole eligabilty was tossed in by the govt when they were trying to eliminate capital punishment. At the time a life sentence had a 10 year parole eligabilty, though the average time to full parole was 13 years.( average is not quite the correct term..)
And there were those who died behind bars despite being eligabile for parole.

[YYZSaabGuy]

just revictimizing the innocent ones! Where is the vigilante justice when you need it?

Yes. Nothing says "civilized" better than a good, pre-trial lynching.

While I agree with you in principle, Millard is already a convicted murderer.

Yes, he is. So were Robert Baltovich, James Driskell, Donald Marshall Jr., David Milgaard, Guy Paul Morin, William Nepoose, Romeo Phillion, Thomas Sophonow, Steven Truscott, and William Mullins-Johnson, until their convictions were acquitted on appeal, set aside, stayed, or quashed. Have a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overturne ... _in_Canada and http://innocencecanada.com/?ref=aidwyc. Regardless of Millard's other convictions and his guilt or innocence here, he's entitled to the same due process everybody else is.

, pre-trial lynching.

did you mean " post trial lynching?

No: I was not commenting on post-trial sentencing. I was responding to crazyaviator's comment, which I took to imply that the accused should be lynched, without benefit of a trial. Given his subsequent post, I think that inference is correct.

[crazyaviator]

He ALREADY had a trial, he was convicted of FIRST degree murder. kill 1 or 100 this way, the sentence should be the same!

[YYZSaabGuy]

He ALREADY had a trial, he was convicted of FIRST degree murder.

You understand that was for an entirely separate offense, right? Nothing whatsoever to do with his current trial.

kill 1 or 100 this way, the sentence should be the same!

I have no idea what you're going on about. I'm not sure you do either.

[mmm..bacon]

I think that crazy is sitting at home in his mom's basement advocating for capital punishment - thinking that people who kill other people are worthy of the death penalty.

[crazyaviator]

If I set off a bomb and kill 100 people , should I go to jail for 100 times the amount of time than if I killed 1 person? Premeditated murder should fetch a maximum penalty regardless of the number of persons killed.
On a side note, Canadian Baal Corp ( CBC) just reported ( it was kept secret from March) that 3 Canadians ? were each given 10 million as compensation for being wrongly detained and tortured in Syria when they went over there for various innocent reasons. WTF ? Is our justice system that inept? Maybe Millard will get 10 million also and an apology from Trudeau IF his court cases take too long?

[crazyaviator]

I think that crazy is sitting at home in his mom's basement advocating for capital punishment - thinking that people who kill other people are worthy of the death penalty.

Look at our penal system, its a joke! criminals going in are more criminalized when they get out, their minds and hearts are more screwed up and they are most likely to reoffend due to lack of remedial successes. Prisons are expensive to operate and the prisoners aught to be PUT TO WORK instead of languishing in a cesspool of hatred ! Am I for capital punishment? With a piece of excrement like Millard ? Maybe !

[mmm..bacon]

In a past life, I flew a judge around for a while - my right knee jerked towards work parties as well, until he pointed out that you've got to spend a shwack of time and resources to supervise guys so that they don't escape while they're at the side of the road picking up garbage; you'll get a load of grief from legitimate employers if the state goes into business with essentially slave labour, and you usually have to send someone along to make sure that whatever it is that you asked the convicts to do was done properly, and completely...

As far as Millard is concerned: fair trial, and then let him rot. I'm sure, if he has any level of intelligence whatsoever, that the knowledge that he'll never again be a free man is enough to punish/torture him for the duration..

[photofly]

As far as Millard is concerned: fair trial, and then let him rot.

I'm sure you mean... fair trial, then let him serve his lawfully imposed sentence for the other crimes, along with whatever penalty is imposed for this one, should he be convicted.

Don't you?

[crazyaviator]

As far as Millard is concerned: fair trial, and then let him rot. I'm sure, if he has any level of intelligence whatsoever, that the knowledge that he'll never again be a free man is enough to punish/torture him for the duration..

It doesn't work that way. Prison is a whole new life and filled with new ways to do wrong!

Work camps where they are shackled to each other and any attempt to escape is met with a bullet to the head ( aww, the good ol days )
The work would entail anything that does not interfere with industry but is supportive of it.
Prisons are a joke!! Rehabilitation rarely happens in that cesspool!

Proper rehabilitation over time would leave only a small percentage of incorrigibles and those can either stay in prison or be put 6 feet in the ground, their choice.

Our society is becoming soo clueless that most here posting would not understand the term "born again" and others would mock the term!

[mmm..bacon]

As far as Millard is concerned: fair trial, and then let him rot.

I'm sure you mean... fair trial, then let him serve his lawfully imposed sentence for the other crimes, along with whatever penalty is imposed for this one, should he be convicted.

Don't you?

Yes.

Our society is becoming soo clueless that most here posting would not understand the term "born again" and others would mock the term!

Do explain?

[crazyaviator]

Do explain?

John 3:3

[7ECA]

And what exactly does the Gospel of John have to do with your rant about rehabilitation in the prison system, or criminal proceedings, or the justice system in general?