I have no idea what he was doing, but I disagree with this statement, especially regarding flying boats.
I seem to remember an account recently on this site about a flying boat landing mishap that ended quite badly.
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I have no idea what he was doing, but I disagree with this statement, especially regarding flying boats.
Thank god. I was just confused!
Mainthing that's becoming clearer is being sure of upwind to land and with flap (and also if already so near the watersurface in just overflying) for a slower touch/touchdown, ie 30degflap stallspeed is established as "39kts" /NTSB report May8. Then hopefully won't see more "66kt" no-flap impacts in a downwind from a "lowalt" (seeing wx-records actually support inadvertant "downwind" entry for both past accidents) esp if production finds a suitable win win verbage for the subject of safety at the sales level.
Or even better a AOA indicator.Pilots must make their choice: Low maneuvering, cautious at all times, careful landing on the water, of tumbling in the mirth at altitude in a plane designed to do it, with a G meter !
During my days of adventure, I deliberately stalled and spun an unsuspecting Ercoupe. It's not easy to do, and you obviously can't hold it into the spin, but I got it to drop a wing. However, I had to maneuver it abusively steep climbing turn type stuff - sorta like I think I have seen in Icon flying....there's the Ercoupe, which apparently was un-stallable
I have flown an Ercoupe. It barely has any up elevator deflection. That being said, the instructor warned me about avoiding a high sink rate on final by keeping some power on. I suppose a high sink rate landing short of the runway that is not officially a stall might have similar results.PilotDAR wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:07 amDuring my days of adventure, I deliberately stalled and spun an unsuspecting Ercoupe. It's not easy to do, and you obviously can't hold it into the spin, but I got it to drop a wing. However, I had to maneuver it abusively steep climbing turn type stuff - sorta like I think I have seen in Icon flying....there's the Ercoupe, which apparently was un-stallable
It is responsible flying which is required - a good pilot attitude should assure good plane attitude.
There's the reference in there again ... said it felt "like flying a figher jet" (mentioned a few times already / keeps coming up). Lucky stroke ...I've rechecked wx-records for the decreased performance shear event going on right there / right at noon .. closest working wx-station is Gulf Harbor Villas ONLY 2-3 miles east of the accident; easy to check/confirm for all to see. (The report gives KPIE weather 17NM southeast .. calm .. ... but that is too far away for the shear reference. The true numbers are pretty strong ... actually ...waterdog wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 6:21 pmhe goes into a steep climb and then looks like he stalled it and spun it in.....
Here is the link.
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/baseball/mlb/r ... -1.4411166
Well it was actually caused by a stuck boost piston:pdw wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:39 pm The report says/records the F18 pilot (in that spilt second) had thought the initial sink maybe wx-related. I'm beginning to think he is correct to a point ... if an F18 fighter is also capable of doing that from 300ft when so close to its stall speed in similar screwy component conditions ...
Forget the Ercoup .. IMO we're now comparing a possible fighter jet maneuvre ...
pdw wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:12 pm It wasn't as simple as the spin in the news, but in the report ... the "piston" failure made the escape with AFB impossible once things went wrong at 300ft agl and had to abort. Wx-data too sparse to show what exactly going on (as per the wx-comment by the F18 pilot written into the report).
I think its right to take the closer looks to understand how exactly this happened there over the ocean ...
Agreed. In four decades of flying, I never thought to myself, "wow, that was close, that changing wind nearly got me". I have experienced varying winds, and I have errantly landed downwind. I just kept flying the plane, and it all worked.Sometimes things other than weather cause accidents.