Yea I heard the same but was hesitant to believe that. Apparently the company is not doing well financially which might be part of the reason for requesting cash upfront. Problem is that you might never see that money again if the company goes under before your bond expires.Gorgons wrote:This thread has been pretty quite for sometime, he's a new twist.
Air Bravo, currently advertising for Captains. I was told they are firing FO's that are refusing to take offers of left seat positions, company wants a 10K bond signed and paid upfront.
Companies that do not require Training bonds
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Operating two aircraft, one in Barrie and one in Thunder Bay. Only one medic in each location and they need Captains? Theres a message in there somewhere.
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Alkan Air now requires a 12 month training agreement. No money changes hands unless you leave early.
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I know this may come as a shock to many people but Voyageur Airways no longer requires a bond.
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Air Lab doesn't exist anymore. It's all PAL now.chu me wrote: ↑Sat Aug 02, 2008 8:18 pm Instead of always bashing companies that require pilots to pay or sign a training bond, I thought we could do a more positive thread about companies that don't require bonds. Also if you have had positive experiences with companies that treat their pilots well.
I'll start with two 1). Commercial Aviation based in Hearst, Ont. as far as I know, have never charged a bond, also good A/C that are well maintained.
2). Clearwater Aviation based in La Loche , SK. great company with good A/C ,does not require bonds.
I would encourage pilots to apply to these companies as you would have a good experience.
If the young pilots had an alternative to the sh#tty companies out there, they might not apply to the crappy ones. Maybe if the supply of pilots starts to dry up for these sh@tty companies they will change their policies. If anyone else has a company please post it here.
I have edited this post on Sept 17/08 in order to add the list to the first post, so people do not have to go looking for it. I will continue to read this thread in order to add to the list.
Aries Aviation
Pro-Flight Ltd
Great River Air
Air Saguenay
Arctic Sunwest
Summit Air
Canadian North
Fugro
Gilliam Air
Air Georgian
Air Labrador,
Provincial Airlines
Strait Air
Grenfell Health Corporation
Skyjet
Exactair ( we are not sure about this one, so if someone out there knows for sure, PM or post please)
Air North
Fort Francis Air
First Air
Clearwater Aviation
Commercial Aviation
Walsten Air
MNR
Airborne energy
Alberta Central Airways
Qjets
Villers Air Service. Ft Nelson BC
Wolverine Air. Ft Simpson NWT
Simpson Air. Ft Simpson NWT
Alkan Air. Whitehorse YK
Perimeter Aviation, Manitoba (2 years on the ramp)
North Cariboo Air, BC+AB (12,500 below no bond)
CargoJet
Air Canada
WestJet
Jazz
CMA (except Do328)
Kelowna Flight Craft
Air Spray
ConAir
Borek
Calm Air (working Bond)
Transwest Air
Buffalo Air
Air Tindi
Integra Air Inc.
Pacific Sky Aviation
Nor-Alta Aviation
Sander Geophysics
Regional 1
Transat
Pro-Flight Ltd
I'm sure there are more out there, it doesn't matter how big or how small the company is,( Clearwater only has one aircraft) nor what type of aircraft they fly. For all you young guys or maybe just pilots looking for a change here is where you should send your resumes. Please keep the posts coming and keep this list growing. Good luck and safe flying.
Sincerely
Chu me
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Wow... and neither does Integra or R1!
It’s almost like things change in 12 years!
It’s almost like things change in 12 years!
Geez did I say that....? Or just think it....?
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Any update to this regarding the companies that don't require the training bonds in Canada in 2021?
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Probably more than less do these days
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I’d like to see this too
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I don't think anything has changed, in fact, probably got worse with airline guys returning to other sectors.
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Probably correct, supply and demand dictates bonds. Why invest in someone when there’s several previously endorsed candidates out thereschnitzel2k3 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 10:31 amI don't think anything has changed, in fact, probably got worse with airline guys returning to other sectors.
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Does anyone know if Training Bonds are tax deductible?
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For the company that has taken ownership of you (your master).
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Precisely
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From what I know they are, and I've heard people getting over 20% of it back.
Which is baloney since your operator wrote off your training before you even showed up and is currently sipping mai tais in the carribean courtesy of your bond money.
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Someone correct me if I am wrong, but if you had to pay your bond out, it is tax deductible... Consulting a tax lawyer or accountant is obviously the way to go about it in all fairness...
https://www.canada.ca/en/revenue-agency ... costs.html
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I'm pretty sure the money you pay them for your bond is taxable again, to offset the write offs from the training.vanislepilot wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 6:32 amFrom what I know they are, and I've heard people getting over 20% of it back.
Which is baloney since your operator wrote off your training before you even showed up and is currently sipping mai tais in the carribean courtesy of your bond money.
Writing off costs is not a magic spell to give you unlimited money. They still pay for the training. The money still needs to be earned and paid. It only affects the taxes they pay.
As an AvCanada discussion grows longer:
-the probability of 'entitlement' being mentioned, approaches 1
-one will be accused of using bad airmanship
-the probability of 'entitlement' being mentioned, approaches 1
-one will be accused of using bad airmanship
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Are we talking what’s paid off in the bond?digits_ wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 9:16 amI'm pretty sure the money you pay them for your bond is taxable again, to offset the write offs from the training.vanislepilot wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 6:32 amFrom what I know they are, and I've heard people getting over 20% of it back.
Which is baloney since your operator wrote off your training before you even showed up and is currently sipping mai tais in the carribean courtesy of your bond money.
Writing off costs is not a magic spell to give you unlimited money. They still pay for the training. The money still needs to be earned and paid. It only affects the taxes they pay.
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It’s deductible but by who is up to how the bond is paidPitchLink wrote: ↑Wed Jun 15, 2022 3:09 amAre we talking what’s paid off in the bond?digits_ wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 9:16 amI'm pretty sure the money you pay them for your bond is taxable again, to offset the write offs from the training.vanislepilot wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 6:32 am
From what I know they are, and I've heard people getting over 20% of it back.
Which is baloney since your operator wrote off your training before you even showed up and is currently sipping mai tais in the carribean courtesy of your bond money.
Writing off costs is not a magic spell to give you unlimited money. They still pay for the training. The money still needs to be earned and paid. It only affects the taxes they pay.
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Everywhere I look there’s bond requirements for both ames and pilots. I don’t see any jobs out there where their policies allow for un bonded training…