Sean Brown wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2017 11:41 pmBTW I didn't say "I'll only work as a pilot" .
No? Because that's what I get from this: "all a person like me looking for is a Job a flying Job...all I am looking for is a job related to what I trained for, what I have its certificate and college diploma ?" And this: "we pay a lot of money and hardworking to get our license with Candian high standard, and then have to work in MacDonald and flip burgers or work on the ramp for a year or more to have a chance to fly a single engine and log SIC. can you please clarify for me how towing planes and not flying for so long makes us a considerable candidate?" And this: "I totally agree with you, the plane should be grounded rather than having the wrong person on controls, but could you please tell me how, working on the ramp making me a better pilot?" Even if you're willing to work the ramp for a short period, that sure doesn't come off from what you've said, and it's likely that people who are hiring are taking that away as well. Besides, setting a cap on how long you're willing to work the ramp is almost as bad as declaring that you're only willing to perform specific duties: it says you have expectations about the way the job is going to go, and if your demands aren't met then you aren't going to grace them with your remarkable skills. Why would they hire you with a guarantee of a flying spot after a set period of time if they don't know if that job will be open when it comes? They would end up with more pilots than they need, and have to pay more wages than they should, all because you demanded to only work the ramp for a set length of time.
Here's how I've always viewed working the ramp, and how I would treat it if I were a CP: if you come in and introduce yourself, we talk, maybe even have a formal interview, and I decide that I would like to hire you, but I don't have any openings right now, I'll give you three options. One, you leave and look for work elsewhere. Two, you get a job flipping burgers in town, and when a pilot quits I'll call you if I don't have a better candidate. Three, you come work for the company in another capacity, because we have job openings and you need a job anyway. Option two means you're still an unknown entity coming in off the street, and an applicant with twice your experience would obviously be preferable. Option three lets me see your work ethic, and you get to know the operation, learn the SOPs, and maybe take some ground schools; I would be more willing to put you into a cockpit if I saw that you worked hard and put in the effort to learn the material needed to get a PPC, even if you came in with less experience. Unfortunately, I can't make a guarantee as to how long it will be before you'll be flying, because I have no idea when one of the pilots might quit, and I won't promise you that if you stay for three or six months I'll get you flying; hell, I might decide that you're a lazy, entitled sack of crap after all that. I, personally, wouldn't hire outside applicants over current employees, but I can't speak for others; perhaps there are contract requirements that mean the rampies won't be able to fly some trips, whereas a more experienced pilot would be able to, or perhaps they're intended as quick upgrades.
As for layoffs and companies shutting down, that's the reality of working in any industry. You provide labour, and in exchange your employer pays your wages. They don't owe you anything, and you don't owe them anything. That's why the relationship can be terminated by either party with two weeks' notice. When you're hired as a rampie, you work as a rampie, and if you're so lucky as to get flying that's when you become a pilot, not a moment before, so don't ever expect that the company owes you hours because you have a pilot's licence; you're hired as a rampie who happens to be a pilot, just like if you were hired to flip burgers you couldn't start demanding to be made the restaurant's accountant simply because you took some business courses, and your role in the company will only change if management agrees to it. If they hire a non-pilot to be a rampie, then when that person gets laid off they have nothing to show for it other than the money they made. You aren't entitled to career progression because you went to flight school. Get over yourself. Seriously, have you ever worked a real job, or is the offer to pay for your training an indication that you're an entitled rich kid? This schtick is getting old.