4 Hurt in Plane Crash at Brampton

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Re: 4 Hurt in Plane Crash at Brampton

#51 Post by rookiepilot » Tue Jan 02, 2018 6:15 pm

Cliff Jumper wrote:
Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:37 pm
pdw wrote:
Tue Jan 02, 2018 8:30 am
DPM's posts are representing the point very well there, actually. The "non-trivial" (a fair bit) is what might be getting a high-weight flat & "draggy" little lowpower-single into trouble in this type of METAR, shorter-rwy, night-fall with obstacle. Seems two similar attempts have failed to get to the threshold.

It's next to impossible to get caught "draggy" like that in this type of AC under its trivial power (idle or nearly) when that's a 6deg-plus descent angle at 20degflap. Hand-on-throttle then has ALL extra power available (even extra flap still avail in event-of unwarned requirement to shorten / steepen it some onto the shorter field if too high/fast short final) for emminent decay/sink or other underestimation of power/height which seems apparent here while " on such a flat glide path".
I finally get it.

I've never been happier.

It's like looking at one of those hidden image puzzle pictures for weeks and then finally seeing the sailboat!

What pdw is conveying across the (in and out) keyboard connected subtle output, is the clear effect of time periods when ALL sorts of effects have been transected until the quartering aft inverted push is INCREASING more than the limited time spent student pilot had formulated (too fast to outwards, then quickly retreating inwards) except not here, in this case where THE warnings were presented via the quickly decelerating/needle triggering the need for EXTRA push, or less negative-pull-if-the-swing was obtuse, which needs verification. The same variation has been seen during "similar declination" before (same lat/long tangent, adverse or otherwise) AND IF this has occurred it must be known to those viewing the bases from east-west positions from the steepening of the curve convex or not would be obvious, if not 'underestimated'.
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Re: 4 Hurt in Plane Crash at Brampton

#52 Post by PilotDAR » Tue Jan 02, 2018 7:41 pm

So... the situation was getting less worse more slowly?
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Re: 4 Hurt in Plane Crash at Brampton

#53 Post by pdw » Wed Jan 03, 2018 11:41 am

Huh ?
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Re: 4 Hurt in Plane Crash at Brampton

#54 Post by Cliff Jumper » Wed Jan 03, 2018 1:20 pm

pdw wrote:
Wed Jan 03, 2018 11:41 am
The first time around is in very similar component conditions as the second try (see METAR) if there was little that changed in those 3 minutes.
Exactly, but the push-pull vector (aggregate) isn't aligned WITH outside expectation, otherwise sufficient blow by.
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