F*** You. Pay me.

[effin hippie]

Just thought I’d pop by to state the obvious.

With demand exceeding supply in the pilot market for the first time in a very long time, it behooves all of us to remember what to say whenever ANYONE brings it up.

“F*** you. Pay me.”

Say it to every employer. You want loyalty? You want my labour? After gleefully driving salaries into the toilet, gutting benefits, sending greenhorns out in garbage equipment?

“F*** you. Pay me.”

Say it to the public. After refusing to allow carriers to compete on nothing but price, expecting limousine service for the cost of a taxi ride, launching into hysterics every time you got bad feelings?

“F*** you. Pay me.”

Say it to the media, your MP, whoever, whenever you get the chance. This is not a crisis, it does not need a special program. There’s not a single a**hole out there who lost a moments peace profiting from an excess of supply in our profession. Now it’s our turn.

“F*** you. Pay me.”

[moe]

i like your style

[digits_]

How do you suggest I word this in a cover letter?

[phillyfan]

Those of you who do take advice from internet strangers, just remember. They are almost certainly living a miserable millennial life subsidized by mommy, or they are underachieving middle age burnouts who never made it in the industry.
Its never those who make the money and have the jobs who whine on these sites. Work hard, don't be a knob and you will be taken care of by your employer.

[sanjet]

Just thought I’d pop by to state the obvious.

“F*** you. Pay me.”

Ah yes the new generation of entitlement... I’ve never spoken like that to my employer or a customer. Instead I got paid on my experience and work ethic, I can attest that I was renumerated quite well. I’ve always been told I would be welcomed back at my old jobs if needed without an interview. Just remember that musical chair can stop quite quickly and what goes around comes around, it’s a small world. You act like a monkey, expect to be paid peanuts....

[Chaxterium]

I can attest that I was renumerated quite well.

Ok this is going to mess you up. The word you're looking for is "remunerated", not "renumerated". I only recently discovered this. I've been saying it incorrectly for years!

Otherwise I agree with your post completely. I've been in the industry for years and I've always felt I was fairly compensated. I work hard and try to keep my bitching to a minimum.

[Cat Driver]

It has been a while since I commented here.

But I am happy I did not have this attitude towards those who paid me when I was working as a pilot.

I looked at it in another way, if I did not feel my employer was treating me fairly I quietly left and found another job.

If my employer was fair I made sure I made money for both of us, first for my employer and then I was paid my share because my employer was happy.

When I started working for myself my first concern was my client was happy and that worked like magic and my income just got better and better.

However I do think that everyone has the right to their own attitude towards their employer even if it is f*** you.

[455tt]

It has been a while since I commented here.

But I am happy I did not have this attitude towards those who paid me when I was working as a pilot.

I looked at it in another way, if I did not feel my employer was treating me fairly I quietly left and found another job.

I agree with you totally.

At the end of the day who knows if this current hiring party will end and if the economy goes south again and pilots get laid off in droves and must return back to their same former employer for work, then all the better if one has not burned any bridges behind oneself.

Be respectful and even polite to your employer, every one of them good or bad since you never know how things can come back to haunt you in this business.

[iflyroads]

How do you suggest I word this in a cover letter?

I've had a really long shitty day. And this made me burst out laughing. Well done.

[powder8]

I’ve been working over 25 years for various mom and pop operations (I realize this makes me sound stupid) and have noticed they all drive nicer cars and take nicer vacations. Wondering when those of use that work long days, long shifts, put our hart and soul into seasonal work will finally get to make a living?

[montado]

When summer comes, and crew sched calls begging for over time to cover that Yul to bos for min credit at time and a half. No thanks I will reply. Then half hour later after working to the bottom of this list when you get the second call "everyone said they don't want ot I'm so surprised, I thought I would call you again just to make sure because I thought you had no life!"

I will remind them time and a half of nothing is nothing. @#$! you pay me or I'm going to the beach and getting a tan allllll summer longggggg.

Honestly I gave up on the overtime chase. All the people paying for flica alerts picking up every shift they can. I can't tell ya'll what to do... But for all I care captains can get called to fly right seat because my piss poor pay in the right seat is not worth giving an ounce of my summer away to ot. After crew sched did a few shady things to bend the rules that was just icing on the cake for not giving one hoot about helping to do ot. But to each their own. Thanks for listening to me vent.

[SuperchargedRS]

[SuperchargedRS]

Those of you who do take advice from internet strangers, just remember. They are almost certainly living a miserable millennial life subsidized by mommy, or they are underachieving middle age burnouts who never made it in the industry.
Its never those who make the money and have the jobs who whine on these sites. Work hard, don't be a knob and you will be taken care of by your employer.

Im doing quite well for myself, I just like to argue lol

And your religious like faith in other people is quite funny

[effin hippie]

Oh ffs.

Sure. Maybe be a diplomat. Maybe ‘tell them to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip’.

Couch your language in a fashion that doesn’t bunch the panties like they’ve been bunched here.

But don’t mistake the message.

I can’t f***ing believe I have to elaborate:

“Time building is not compensation. The company pay scale is not the word of god. Contracts all come up for negotiation. F*** YOU. PAY ME.”

[BE02 Driver]

Oh ffs.

Sure. Maybe be a diplomat. Maybe ‘tell them to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip’.

Couch your language in a fashion that doesn’t bunch the panties like they’ve been bunched here.

But don’t mistake the message.

I can’t f***ing believe I have to elaborate:

“Time building is not compensation. The company pay scale is not the word of god. Contracts all come up for negotiation. F*** YOU. PAY ME.”

Amen

[opera]

Interesting to create an account just to rant (only three posts beside the OP's user name, all in this thread). Whatever happened to you, there are more productive coping skills than anonymous web tirades. I encourage you to learn them, better late than never.

[Addicted4life]

I agree 100 per cent with the original poster. All you other posters are entitled to your opinion. However, some of those opinions are why aviation is in the state it is in. Owners have pitted us against each other and we attack like a bunch of rabid dogs fighting over a scrap of gristle. Even on this forum. Someone posts an opinion in hopes of improving our lot and making a stand against piss poor pay and working conditions (on average) and immediately the dogs attack. Why? Because if they hammer that nail that sticks up then they don't have to admit to being part of the problem. Let the hammering begin.

[mantogasrsrwy]

I can attest that I was renumerated quite well.

Ok this is going to mess you up. The word you're looking for is "remunerated", not "renumerated". I only recently discovered this. I've been saying it incorrectly for years!

Otherwise I agree with your post completely. I've been in the industry for years and I've always felt I was fairly compensated. I work hard and try to keep my bitching to a minimum.

I always thought it was renumerated too. I bet there are a few of us. My vocabulary is improved.

[Mick G]

What a bunch of whining babies. Here is some advice; don't ever chase money, if you are good at what you do, the money will find you. Spend your energy doing the best possible job you can and the money will take care of itself.

[goingnowherefast]

I agree with the message. The working conditions in this industry have deteriorated for so long that nobody wants to be a pilot anymore. Hence the pilot shortage!

The tone and crudeness used to deliver the message needs to be put in context. This is Avcanada, not often is anything sugar coated.

How do you say "F*** You. Pay me" in real life? You, the pilot are in demand, offer your services to the highest bidder, not just financially but quality of life too. You're getting paid $38,000 in your current job and another company is offering to pay you $50,000 with similar benefits and QOL. Well that's a no brainer. Tell your old boss why you are leaving, but be tactful. When the industry slows down again, you may need that old job back. Never burn a bridge (unless it's Skyward).

[SuperchargedRS]

THAT IS THE PROBLEM

People are too meek to do that.

It's like a meek hipster break up, "it's not you, it's me"

If people, in a nice way of course, told their company why they were leaving, that another company was offering them say 20% more with paid insurance and more vacation time, maybe after loosing enough people and hearing the same story, they'd step their game up, as it's probably cheaper to offer a little more and have less turnover.

[Sneeker]

Just thought I’d pop by to state the obvious.

“F*** you. Pay me.”

Ah yes the new generation of entitlement... I’ve never spoken like that to my employer or a customer. Instead I got paid on my experience and work ethic, I can attest that I was renumerated quite well. I’ve always been told I would be welcomed back at my old jobs if needed without an interview. Just remember that musical chair can stop quite quickly and what goes around comes around, it’s a small world. You act like a monkey, expect to be paid peanuts....

Not sure if I agree that this is the voice of the "Entitlement Generation", and I think your missing the point. I do agree with you that Musical Chairs can stop as quickly as it started though.

The thing is that it is time for pilots to expect more from employers, that is the point of this thread. Its not time for people to accept lesser standards then the generation of pilots before, for the same job, even though they themselves do not have the same experience. Jazz and Encore serve as a good example for this. 5 years ago it took 3-4 thousand hours to get an interview and they payed, if my memory serves me, somewhere inside the $50k mark. It has been watered down, and its nobodies fault except for us Pilots. Do I blame the kid with 1000 hrs and a years experience flying a King Air who has the opportunity to fly a q4, live in a city or where ever he wants, get flight benefits and a schedule that he can depend on? No. I blame the assholes who went to Encore or Jazz when the companies were desperate or new, and took a huge pay cut from being a Captain making $80k a year, to making $36k a year. "Oh but wait, I get $12k a year in perdiem's and I'll be upgraded to Dash Capt in maybe 2 years time!". I wish that guy would have said "@#$! you pay me" 4 years ago.

I did.

That said I am pretty happy when West Jet or Air Canada starts hiring around the agreeable chaps in Encore and Jazz. Your tears sweeten my coffee in the middle of the night.

[valleyboy]

The only issue I have with that statement is -- you say "fuk you -- pay me" which most are willing to do but there is no bang for the buck and no company loyalty and poor skills because you have not developed them yet. When operators feel your hands on their shoulders the "pay me" phrase seems to lose value because the age of entitlement sees to disregard and moral obligation and "fuk you -- pay me" turns into just "fuk you" I'm outa here sucker - thanks for all that training but I owe you nothing since I'm entitled. The tail is certainly wagging the dog. I much rather do a road trip than ride in the back these days -- LMFAOooooo

I'm not an owner but I am still flying for a living and have managed to make a great living out of it (pay equal or more than a lot of Air Canada positions) and never been employed by a level 1 carrier -- simply put, I am embarrassed buy attitudes of a lot of new pilots coming into the working force.

[Rowdy]

The Effin hippie is back!!

[Anticyclone]

Effin Hippie thank you so much for this subject i owe you one mate.. Im not doing this job for money but there is a minimum not to go below.

Pilots are no ordinary people, pilots journey starts at the age of 4 or 5, Pilots dream about flying aircrafts with closed eyes with open eyes, Pilots love this teacher question at school " What job do you want to do when you get old ?", Pilots always heads up in the sky if not to spot planes to contemplate clouds, Pilots entourage all know about your dream coz you"re loud and proud so yeah Pilots are no ordinary people so “F*** you. Pay me.”