Air Georgian wheel falls off on take off - YYZ

[FranklyFrank89]

Word on the street is that it was one of the cadets doing upgrade indoc who lined up with the runway edge lights and took off, hitting the lights.

xlwing totally wrong! The person going left seat totally had no place in there! He failed multiple times during his FO training. I spoke to an ex training captain who was there. Said he refused to sign the candidate off. And he wasn't the only one who spoke up about that candidate.

So this was NOT one of those cadets you guys like to pick on! They are far better than the guys coming off the street!

This is an issue deep rooted within the company. Not having any one walking in the door and upgrades who shouldn't even been there!! The training standards! Crew schedulers pushing line indoc captains to sign people off, CP threatening those there who stand up saying it's going to affect their chances at AC. Deeper problem than what we saw two nights ago. That place will kill people! Just a matter of time.

From what I've heard, they lined up with the edge lights and took off. Had major engine damage, thought it was a rudder issue and return to land. Major engine overhaul needed.

So don't listen to everything you read on the media. THE GGN spokeslady has a way to turning and twisting the truth. She rolled into GGN on her high horse a few years back and frankly she's been the worst!

Anyways mods, delete this thread now. Cover up the truth as usual.

Frank

[HiFlyChick]

No wheels came off the plane.

Ohhhhhh! I guess I did too much paperwork without enough coffee today I actually was reading about the wheel of the plane did this and that and pictured just the wheel of the plane going hurtling here and there. Boy do I feel silly, and for the record, I'm not a troll, just going a bit gaga with paperwork today - thanks Shabadoo

Just checked the CADORS:
Occurrence Summary
Date Entered:2018-01-23
Narrative:
An Air Georgian Beech 1900D (GGN7298) from Toronto/ Lester B. Pearson, ON (CYYZ) to Windsor Locks- Bradley, CT (KBDL) was departing Runway 06L when the aircraft veered off the left side of the runway and rejected the take off. Impact on operations: moderate.

[pelmet]

How am I not surprised....
Impact on operations: Moderate

Now some people are not surprised that GGN would do something like line up with the taxiway edge lights by accident but would you be surprised if AC mainline did it?

http://www.bst-tsb.gc.ca/eng/rapports-r ... 6f0014.pdf

[goingnowherefast]

Air Canada does significantly more flying than Georgian. 10,000 departures at 0.1% incident rate or 1000 departures and 1% incident rate is the same number of incidences. (Numbers are fictitious to illustrate the point).

[aerie]

Word on the street is that it was one of the cadets...

Nope.

[Roger1989]

Just shut the place down. Just wait it out a few months and you’ll get picked up by a reputable company. Do NOT sign a bond with Air Georgian.

[gtanorth]

Just shut the place down. Just wait it out a few months and you’ll get picked up by a reputable company. Do NOT sign a bond with Air Georgian.

Why so bitter? georgian has been around for a couple of decades now, I think it’s pretty safe to say they will be staying around. Tell us - did u fail out, get fired, not hired? Why so deflective

New guy nailed it.

[ditar]

I’ve had the pleasure (misfortune?) of flying on Air Georgian only once. I have never seen an airplane with so many MEL placards in the cockpit in my life.

[pelmet]

C-GORN, a Beech 1900D aircraft operated by Air Georgian, was conducting flight GGN7298 from Toronto/Lester B. Pearson Intl, ON (CYYZ) to Hartford/Springfield/Bradley Intl, CT (KBDL). When ATC cleared the flight for take off from Runway 06L at CYYZ, the flight crew lined up the aircraft with the left edge of the runway and commenced the take off. During the take off roll, the left main wheel entered the grass area on the north side of the runway and struck a runway edge marker.

The flight crew heard a noise and felt the aircraft pulling to the left. The take off was aborted at approximately 65 knots, the aircraft exited on to Taxiway D4 and stopped. The flight crew shut the left engine down, notified ATC of their situation and requested that the operator’s maintenance meet the aircraft to assess damage. The right engine continued to operate and all passengers remained on board. After a visual inspection, maintenance personnel advised that the aircraft could taxi back to the gate.

Further examination by maintenance personnel revealed minor damage to the propeller blades and minor indentations to the left side of the fuselage, aft of the entry door. There were no reported injuries. The FDR and CVR were recovered and downloaded by TSB Engineering. The takeoff roll began at 0147:41 UTC and the aircraft stopped at 0148:46 on the taxiway. When reviewed by the TSB, the 30 min CVR contained only data from 0224:28 to 0232:13. The portion of the recording which should have captured the time period between 0201:06 and 0224:28 was blank.

[mbav8r]

The pilots should be charged for tampering with evidence.
The description of what happened is pretty scary, WTF! I have no idea how that could even happen, completely inept crew

[RNAV30]

I'm no fan of GGN, but words like classic ggn or abysmal shape seems to me those forgotten AC had a tyre fall off in April 2017 http://nationalpost.com/news/air-canada ... in-england
Classic Air Canada? Abysmal shape those 330s are?

AC also doesn’t line up with runway edge lights for takeoff and then deletes the CVR.

there is a very clear poor safety and reporting culture. Whether you are looking from the inside or out it’s very obvious.

[Boreas]

I'm no fan of GGN, but words like classic ggn or abysmal shape seems to me those forgotten AC had a tyre fall off in April 2017 http://nationalpost.com/news/air-canada ... in-england
Classic Air Canada? Abysmal shape those 330s are?

AC also doesn’t line up with runway edge lights for takeoff and then deletes the CVR.

there is a very clear poor safety and reporting culture. Whether you are looking from the inside or out it’s very obvious.

They have lined up with taxiways for
landing though... Too soon!?

But yeah, GGN is not exactly the
pinnacle of aviation safety culture.