FLYGTA Rumors

[FltLvl190]

So I have heard two rumors, and would like verification.

1) Did one of there ho's have an engine fire?

2) Are they going under? Been hearing they are planning on selling all their office shit, aircraft, parts inventory etc?

[photofly]

They shut down one engine immediately after takeoff and landed three minutes later, that much is in a CADOR, so no secret. Well done to the crew, from what I hear. As to the rest, no idea.

[trey kule]

CADORs reference please.

[Goshawk]

CADORs reference please.

CADORS Number: 2018O0215

http://wwwapps.tc.gc.ca/Saf-Sec-Sur/2/c ... d2018O0215

[trey kule]

Thanks Goshawk

[kgams]

They shut down one engine immediately after takeoff and landed three minutes later, that much is in a CADOR, so no secret. Well done to the crew, from what I hear. As to the rest, no idea.

photofly, the CADOR doesn't say engine was shutdown, it says there was an engine issue.

[photofly]

You're right!

Perhaps it wasn't shut down after all.

[172_Captain]

The engine was shut down. It was a blown turbo. I talked to the pilot involved

[goingnowherefast]

Why would you shut down the engine for a blown turbo? It still makes plenty of power, somewhere around 70% I believe.

[anofly]

i guess it depends where all the heat is going...

[photofly]

Why would you shut down the engine for a blown turbo? It still makes plenty of power, somewhere around 70% I believe.

I mean, why did they even need to RTB? With 71.2% power available they should have completed the flight, obviously.

[trey kule]

Why would you shut down the engine for a blown turbo? It still makes plenty of power, somewhere around 70% I believe.

It is a very difficult call. It might be something simple like aconnector broken, or it could be burning through the spar.

Better to get back on the ground ASAP and have it looked at.
Flight Safety’s recommendation is to shut down, as if it is going through the spar it apparently takes about 45 sec to burn through to failure.

[digits_]

Why would you shut down the engine for a blown turbo? It still makes plenty of power, somewhere around 70% I believe.

True, but you will also -most likely- be loosing a ton of oil, which creates a lot of smoke. Not easy to determine at that point if it is a blown turbo or if your engine is on fire. If it happens just after take-off, probably with low time pilots as well, I'd probably would have shut it down as well.

From an economic's point of view: shutting down might aslo save the engine.

[rookiepilot]

So I have heard two rumors, and would like verification.

1) Did one of there ho's have an engine fire?

2) Are they going under? Been hearing they are planning on selling all their office shit, aircraft, parts inventory etc?

PDW will buy them out.

[digits_]

Why would you shut down the engine for a blown turbo? It still makes plenty of power, somewhere around 70% I believe.

I mean, why did they even need to RTB? With 71.2% power available they should have completed the flight, obviously.

I actually know of at least one company that did exactly that. Including 2 take-offs. It was not a good day

[goingnowherefast]

The smoke/oil would be going out the exhaust and not visible from the cockpit. Definitely take it back to land at the nearest airport, but it is a Navajo, not the best single engine reputation. If it's still making power and not on fire, leave it running.

Also, it's not going to burn through the spar in 45 seconds, there's a firewall in the way. Plus the whole engine compartment is mounted above the wing. You might toast some stuff in the wing lockers AFTER the firewall is compromised, but that's it.

I will also say this. They were two low time pilots in a Navajo, experiencing an abnormal scenario, with or without visible troubling signs from an engine. Whatever they did clearly worked as everybody is alive and well with the airplane still intact.

[oldtimer]

How many arm chair quarterbacks remember the NavAir Navajo on departure out of Comox? A blown gasket spewed oil on the turbo and the crew turned back to land. They did not make it.

[trey kule]

The smoke/oil would be going out the exhaust and not visible from the cockpit. Definitely take it back to land at the nearest airport, but it is a Navajo, not the best single engine reputation. If it's still making power and not on fire, leave it running.

Also, it's not going to burn through the spar in 45 seconds, there's a firewall in the way. Plus the whole engine compartment is mounted above the wing. You might toast some stuff in the wing lockers AFTER the firewall is compromised, but that's it.

You do not know about that of which you speak.
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1. Not withstanding the need to get back on the ground ASAP, a Navajo flies fine on one engine...if you have a properly trained and competent pilot.

2.if the turbo charger become disconnected it is like a super blowtorch, wiser people than you say 45 seconds. Dont wait around to find out if they are correct, even if you and others need to read about an accident to learn

3. Lastly, there is avery visable grating you can see right into the turbo from the cockpit. Your claim that it is not going to be visible makes me wonder if you have ever flown a ho, as Indont know a ho pilot who was not mesmerized by the glowing turbo at night.

Btw...some of those wing lockers are nacelle tanks...just sayin...

Anytype of engine issue, get it back on the ground. Diagnosising and engine issue while flying is foolish. If even a hint of fire, shut it down, and get the fuel off to that engine..
Free advice..take it for what its worth....or wait until you can get a fresh accident if that is the only way you learn

[Addicted4life]

I have to agree 100% with Trey Kule on this one. I am graduate of Flight Safety's Navajo pilot course and I am an AME with years working on the "Ho". I have seen the effects in pictures, first hand, and actually talked with the lead Navajo production engineer from Piper about this very subject. If you suspect any turbo or exhaust or fuel or fire issues land ASAP. If you fly a navajo please heed this advise. Hopefully it will end like this event did. Many have not. Please all Navajo pilots have a close look through those access grates on the nacelles on walk around at the Turbo and all visible connections for anything out of the ordinary.

[rookiepilot]

Why would you shut down the engine for a blown turbo? It still makes plenty of power, somewhere around 70% I believe.

I mean, why did they even need to RTB? With 71.2% power available they should have completed the flight, obviously.

Trusting you're not serious? Complete the flight?

Likely sarcasm but on this site one never knows. Sure that's been done, too.