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Can anyone provide me information on Chartright out of YYZ. FO pay, typical schedule, overnights, bonds, etc

Thanks!
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Spirit wrote:
Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:28 pm
Can anyone provide me information on Chartright out of YYZ. FO pay, typical schedule, overnights, bonds, etc

Thanks!
up, feel free to PM me as well.
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Any info will be appreciated. Thank you
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Each owner's needs and wants vary which will define your schedule, pay and lifestyle as such. Certain owners will only charter their aircraft to keep the crew current while others do not want their aircraft to be parked.

The only way you will get a definitive answer is to apply and and go through the interview process.

Here are a few questions that would be something to consider,


First and foremost, is the aircraft two crew or three? Example for scheduling, If it's two crew how can they guarantee weekends off? When the owner wants to go, the owner is going.

Who is the owner and what do they do? Is it owned by said management company? If so you what schedule do I have and can it be provided in writing?

What is the call out time?

How much does it fly? 604/704 What percentage is charter flights?

How old is the other crew member? If you're younger and on the road will he be getting jolly with you during happy hour? If the other crew is younger will it mean you may not see the left seat for a while?

Vacation days/sick days/maternity leave

RRSP matching


I'm sure there's many more but these I believe are must ask questions for any interview.

I know this answer is not as black and white as you were hoping but I'm afraid it's the best answer you will get unless you go in and talk to the higher powers that be.
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By three crew do you mean three pilots or 3 full crews?
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He or She means 3 pilots per plane not 3 crews per plane.
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Thanks, that is what I thought. 3 full crews would of seemed excessive.
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LegoMan wrote:
Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:58 am
Thanks, that is what I thought. 3 full crews would of seemed excessive.
But pretty sweet haha
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Removed by Sulako. Inaccurate post.
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They bond you for recurrents? That's ridiculous.
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No they do not bond for recurrent training. The bond is two years pro rated on the initial course which seems to be industry standard.
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Thanks for clarifying. Lots of fake news these days.
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It's unfortunately very typical to bond for 2 years on the corporate side - more specifically charter management.

True corporate FDs rarely bond as the likelihood of an individual leaving is low. However management companies do to protect the owners as the QOL is sometimes lower. The QOL is rapidly changing though to attract higher quality candidates.

I don't see the bonds disappearing anytime soon unfortunately - especially not with the majors and feeders on their hiring sprees.

What to look for if you are going to sign - is the bond in line with the cost of training - what you should be signing is just the training and not the expenses that go with it (flights, hotel, per diems etc rolled into the mix).

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Bonds are fine as there is generally lots of movement in the segment, but QOL and pay needs to keep up with changing landscape. There will be a time when these management companies in order to keep the owners will have to tell them the truth that its going to cost more, either by hiring a third pilot or paying more money.
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It's getting there. I've heard some owners are concerned about the QOL of some of their pilots and outright refusing charters (instead of hiring a third crew).

I guess it goes both ways, keeps crew and reduces depreciation (even though it's pretty steady regardless).

I'm in the group that likes a schedule if I can find one and fly more when I am scheduled on duty.

To each their own.

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Bonds are a sign there is a shortage in pay, advancement, or quality of life.

Yep, corporate departments don’t have bonds. They pay good and (usually) don’t work you too hard. Fractionals and management companies exist because their clients are too poor or cheap to have a flight department, and those costs are made up by sharing an aircraft, having minimal crew, flying the snot out of the aircraft doing 3rd party charters and for multiple clients, and paying their pilots dirt.

The only way you can rationalize a quality of life is looking backwards at the reserve and maintenance days you didn’t fly... tied to cellphone, sobriety, and a one hour leash from the airport except your handful of rare, inconvenient, and short notice GDOs.

They’re a stepping stone to the airlines, corporate, or overseas flying. That’s it. Nobody starts in this industry thinking Chartright or Air Partners or Air Sprint is their destination company.
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That will have to change - because their is a finite limit owners will accept with regards to experience and risk.

I can't imagine a person worth half a billion dollars is going to hop onto a personal jet with 2 green pilots with freshly stamped AAs. Corporate and chartered flight departments do not have the resources or time to bring a flight instructor or low time non-IFR pilot up to speed in the 2-3 weeks a typical jet training course and PPC takes place. Airlines do - hence their extended cadet programs that start right out of flight school.

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Just reading an article that includes info on them. Didn't realize how big they are....4 dozen aircraft managed.
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pelmet wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:48 am
Just reading an article that includes info on them. Didn't realize how big they are....4 dozen aircraft managed.
One of the fastest growing flight departments in Toronto. I would rank Skyservice as number one for size and growth, but until they've built those fresh hangars on the south side, they have plum run out of space.

Something like 80% over capacity right now. :shock:

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What happens when the owner sells their aircraft? Are the pilots then transferred to another aircraft that is managed by Chartright or do they get told to go take a hike? What happens with the bond if this is the case?
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AirportCoffee wrote:
Thu Feb 21, 2019 3:04 pm
What happens when the owner sells their aircraft? Are the pilots then transferred to another aircraft that is managed by Chartright or do they get told to go take a hike? What happens with the bond if this is the case?
HR and the Chief try to place you on something lickity split. Training agreement is cancelled, and you'll see that in the formal lawyer script.

If they can't find a spot for you, well, usually you have some advanced notice, and you're probably chatting with colleagues to line something up.

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Anyone happen to have any info on the Chartright operation out of YVR? FO pay, schedule, bonds ect?
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I asked around and here’s some details of that position...

- 90 grand/year
- 3 crew plane (2 Capt 1 Fo)
- 2 year prorated bond (not sure amount but prob about 35 grand)

Hope that helps..
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A couple ads for ChartRight out recently. How is retention going for them with AC needing 800+ spots filled? High turnover? Any incentives to not go to the airlines?
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Can’t comment on turnover, but I know they’re undergoing some fleet growth, thus a number of new positions are opening.
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