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[Flyingsquirrelsuck]

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As an impartial third party observer here, Maybe because WJ does not offer the same product as AC mainline? WJ is a low cost carrier, Swoosh is an Ultra low cost carrier.

Best to compare apples to apples.

Best to check the ticket prices between Westjet and AC. You will be surprised, there is not allot of difference and it’s common you pay the same for the same flight.

From an employee perspective, we fly more, spend more time away from home, and fly the same aircraft. (737 Max)

Westjet has heavy aircraft, a regional airline and flies internationally.

That just goes to show the validity of my point even further. Just because you’re paying the same, doesn’t mean you’re getting the same product. Westjet competes with Rouge, Sunwing, Transat, etc.

As far as Westjet’s heavy aircraft, how can you compare that to AC mainline or even Rouge for that matter? WS operates 4 767’s. By the time they take delivery of their first 787, AC/Rouge will have over 100 widebodies in operation.
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Are you a pilot or management?
From a pilots perspective, if you’re doing the same work as another operator that is apples to apples.
Take two trucking companies, each charge 1.00/mile, one has a fleet of brand new trucks and the other old beat up trucks. They are both hauling widgets for the same customer from the same warehouse to the same destination, do the drivers give a rats ass how much profit these companies are making or do you think what they themselves make is what they are concerned with.
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At least you get the argument mbav8r. I argue that Westjet isn’t a true low cost airline. But uses that definition to pay its employees below standard. It uses the “low cost” label to make us believe we can’t afford Min Credit, trip rigs, night pay, nav pay, YOS etc.

It costs the pilots to work at Westjet!

[Flyingsquirrelsuck]

As an impartial third party observer here, Maybe because WJ does not offer the same product as AC mainline? WJ is a low cost carrier, Swoosh is an Ultra low cost carrier.

Best to compare apples to apples.

The same product? Of course Westjet does. What "product" or "service" do WestJet pilots offer? Safe, professional, efficient transportation between A and B. A whole bunch of those A's and B's (if not all) are the same as Air Canada's A's and B's on their similar (and sometimes bigger) equipment.

If you are talking about the product behind the flight deck door, that's irrelevant to this discussion. WJ pilots do the same job, on the same equipment and offer the same service to their pax as Air Canada guys do. Our safety record is fantastic, our landings are just as smooth, we are just as good (some would argue better: D) looking (uniforms notwithstanding), etc.

Just cause our company decides to have a lower standard of service in the cabin, or even "unbundle" them, does not mean the guys driving the bus should be compensated less. A pilot is a pilot is a pilot.

So when you look at it through the proper lens, yeah, we offer the same product. Everything behind the FD door has no effect on how the guys up front do the job.

Agreeded...great post! Especially better piloting (kidding). We need to maintain a level of respect within the industry and bring the standard up from previous agreements and representation

Our ALPA reps are doing an amazing job working for our group.

[WeedPro2000]

Speaking of bargaining, maybe ALPA could bargain and get A P P R O V A L to place their orange stickers on company property.

Just an idea.

Since the appearance of these stickers in my place of work, I've had to adjust my operating procedures so that in the event of an accident or incident, I will immediately call the company and request a hotel room, or as I like to call it, a "safe place", and sequester myself from ALPA.

[WeedPro2000]

I forgot to mention my Orange Sticker Club. Members receive a poster sized membership with spaces for ten orange stickers. For every ten stickers redeemed, the member will receive a free copy of the forthcoming German language non-fiction bestseller Ich Habe Mich Geschwüpt (loosely translated in English as I Schwooped Myself) wherein the author the describes how he ate too much BS at the ALPA buffet and forgot the old saying "der Spatz in der Hand ist besser als die Taube auf dem Dach."

88 days.

[Flyingsquirrelsuck]

I forgot to mention my Orange Sticker Club. Members receive a poster sized membership with spaces for ten orange stickers. For every ten stickers redeemed, the member will receive a free copy of the forthcoming German language non-fiction bestseller Ich Habe Mich Geschwüpt (loosely translated in English as I Schwooped Myself) wherein the author the describes how he ate too much BS at the ALPA buffet and forgot the old saying "der Spatz in der Hand ist besser als die Taube auf dem Dach."

88 days.

Your an inspiration John. A true liability to our pilot group.

[tbaylx]

At least you get the argument mbav8r. I argue that Westjet isn’t a true low cost airline. But uses that definition to pay its employees below standard. It uses the “low cost” label to make us believe we can’t afford Min Credit, trip rigs, night pay, nav pay, YOS etc.

It costs the pilots to work at Westjet!

You guys are out to lunch..you really think that your MEC should be negotiating things like nav and night pay for you and you're currently below Canadian standards? You should demand a signing bonus too while you're at it.

[Flyingsquirrelsuck]

At least you get the argument mbav8r. I argue that Westjet isn’t a true low cost airline. But uses that definition to pay its employees below standard. It uses the “low cost” label to make us believe we can’t afford Min Credit, trip rigs, night pay, nav pay, YOS etc.

It costs the pilots to work at Westjet!

You guys are out to lunch..you really think that your MEC should be negotiating things like nav and night pay for you and you're currently below Canadian standards? You should demand a signing bonus too while you're at it.

Is this post suppose to make a point?

[Hugh Jasshole]

If pilots are so unhappy, the simple answer is to quit!! There are so many super awesome pilot jobs out there, that you should be hired instantly?? If large amounts of your were to quit and move on to a better paying job, then that would be the best thing ever for the remaining pilots? Or if you are such experts on how to run an airline, go start one!

[RidersRule]

Yeah I don't get it either...

[WeedPro2000]

Well, I should have kept my big fat mouth shut! I just heard this morning that late yesterday the ALPA negotiators sent a letter to the WJ negotiating team adding a proposal requesting permission to attach orange stickers to WJ property, specifically the clipboards placed in the FD to which OFPs are attached. Additionally, ALPA is requesting that WJ revise the existing Evacuation checklist so that the final line is to read:

Clipboard.......................................Grabbed

This will ensure that the crew will be able to contact the relevant ALPA authorities once the crew and passengers are safely away from the aircraft at an assembly point.

My source, high up within WJ leadership ranks, is telling me that when ALPA and WJ next meet, the company is planning to deny ALPA's two requests, but will instead suggest that ALPA have its members simply program the ALPA emergency contact number into their phones. Everyone wins!

[Go Guns]

I thought I could access the number through the app, but when I realized that didn’t work, I programmed it into my phone. Problem solved. Don’t care about the orange stickers on the clipboard. They could show up on every clipboard, or disappear completely and it would make no difference to me. However, I’m a big proponent of the other sticker I’m finding lately.

[Flyingsquirrelsuck]

Well, I should have kept my big fat mouth shut! I just heard this morning that late yesterday the ALPA negotiators sent a letter to the WJ negotiating team adding a proposal requesting permission to attach orange stickers to WJ property, specifically the clipboards placed in the FD to which OFPs are attached. Additionally, ALPA is requesting that WJ revise the existing Evacuation checklist so that the final line is to read:

Clipboard.......................................Grabbed

This will ensure that the crew will be able to contact the relevant ALPA authorities once the crew and passengers are safely away from the aircraft at an assembly point.

My source, high up within WJ leadership ranks, is telling me that when ALPA and WJ next meet, the company is planning to deny ALPA's two requests, but will instead suggest that ALPA have its members simply program the ALPA emergency contact number into their phones. Everyone wins!

John, if you haven’t noticed, you tend to post in order to make light of your actions or to joke about serious issues.

It’s a sign that you don’t have a supportive argument, just the fact you need to get the last word in. Quite sad.

Also to note and to answer another post. I like my job at Westjet, but that doesn’t mean I should accept below industry standard compensation and work rules. We are trying to bring the group up.

[Flyingsquirrelsuck]

If pilots are so unhappy, the simple answer is to quit!! There are so many super awesome pilot jobs out there, that you should be hired instantly?? If large amounts of your were to quit and move on to a better paying job, then that would be the best thing ever for the remaining pilots? Or if you are such experts on how to run an airline, go start one!

Unfortunately you don’t get it.

[.80@410]

If pilots are so unhappy, the simple answer is to quit!! There are so many super awesome pilot jobs out there, that you should be hired instantly?? If large amounts of your were to quit and move on to a better paying job, then that would be the best thing ever for the remaining pilots? Or if you are such experts on how to run an airline, go start one!

Unfortunately you don’t get it.

Give him credit for at least getting his handle correct

[KAG]

I forgot to mention my Orange Sticker Club. Members receive a poster sized membership with spaces for ten orange stickers. For every ten stickers redeemed, the member will receive a free copy of the forthcoming German language non-fiction bestseller Ich Habe Mich Geschwüpt (loosely translated in English as I Schwooped Myself) wherein the author the describes how he ate too much BS at the ALPA buffet and forgot the old saying "der Spatz in der Hand ist besser als die Taube auf dem Dach."

88 days.

That's funny, honestly makes me laugh. But your ranting has me thinking an east coast saying "you're a bubble off plumb" no translation required.
Speaking of BS I have a few great books you may like: the epic "encore, don't worry we're just voting in the concept of a regional" or the classic "let's give up our options". Who could forget the lovable tale of “unsustainable, you lose your 10 year passes" followed by the children's tale “100 evps on a wall” that one you can sing, it's quite catchy.
Speaking of catchy I hear we’re making a movie, a spoof of a Dani Devito movie entitled “throw the culture from the train". I also hear recent rumors of a remake about DB Cooper.
Jokes aside you should be working for, not against your fellow pilots trying to improve your life.

[hurtin'albertan]

Well, I should have kept my big fat mouth shut! I just heard this morning that late yesterday the ALPA negotiators sent a letter to the WJ negotiating team adding a proposal requesting permission to attach orange stickers to WJ property, specifically the clipboards placed in the FD to which OFPs are attached. Additionally, ALPA is requesting that WJ revise the existing Evacuation checklist so that the final line is to read:

Clipboard.......................................Grabbed

This will ensure that the crew will be able to contact the relevant ALPA authorities once the crew and passengers are safely away from the aircraft at an assembly point.

My source, high up within WJ leadership ranks, is telling me that when ALPA and WJ next meet, the company is planning to deny ALPA's two requests, but will instead suggest that ALPA have its members simply program the ALPA emergency contact number into their phones. Everyone wins!

https://youtu.be/C_BolURdHXo?t=42s

[goaroundthrust]

John
Your German is truly embarrassing . Pls stop or take a course .... if you have taken a course , you truly wasted your time and money . Maybe try French ? Please stop . You don't speak German and you probably never will ...

[lostaviator]

Some people need to be involved. It doesn't matter how they feel or what they deep down believe, they just want to be a part of something.

Some have a mouth that gets them in a tiny bit of trouble and come online with their tail between their legs admitting they need the resources of a real/professional union.

Others then realize their past antics probably exclude them from participating in any meaningful dialogue moving forward so they revert back to the other side who will take any help they can get and offer the feeling of inclusion in a bigger cause. Kind of like the little brother in the neighborhood. Tags along hoping to one day be included, and when he is included, believes it is sincere whereas in reality, all the older kids want is the younger, unknowing kid to do their dirty work.

Some, are all of those.

I hope no one ever needs that orange sticker but we do deserve to have access to it. There was so much fanfare around those silly WJPA lanyards (that didn't even connect you to a pilot!!!) and no matter what stripe you wore, people had them on their body. I'm guessing the company would say no to an ALPA lanyard as well. Double standards.

Recent incidents, and even recent movies will demonstrate pilots will be thrown under the bus first chance given to an aircraft manufacture, or airline executive. We ARE replaceable commodities within an airline that cost way less than a stock market hit of bad news brings a company (see facebook). No pilot shows up to work thinking they are going to have a bad day. Shit happens. If it does, I want people in my corner.

We are all going to see countless executives and CEO's come and go in our careers. We outlive most of them at a single company (career wise). No one is going to remember you as the man who tried to stop ALPA when shit hits the fan.

[Blue42]

Which is worse?? Someone placing and removing ALPA orange labels or ALPA members removing stickers with serial numbers off the front cockpit windows???? Pretty low if you ask me, I think everyone needs to grow up!

[FL410AV8R]

Which is worse?? Someone placing and removing ALPA orange labels or ALPA members removing stickers with serial numbers off the front cockpit windows???? Pretty low if you ask me, I think everyone needs to grow up!

Care to elaborate. I am pretty sure something as important as a serial number would be etched on, stickers are hardly a permanent method of identification for a critical component such as a cockpit window. I smell BS.