Swoop hiring foreign scabs

[tbaylx]

I'm getting tired of people narrowing the definition of scab to only strikebreakers. Below is the Merriam-Webster dictionary's definition of a scab

a : a contemptible person
b (1) : a worker who refuses to join a labor union (2) : a union member who refuses to strike or returns to work before a strike has ended (3) : a worker who accepts employment or replaces a union worker during a strike (4) : one who works for less than union wages or on nonunion terms

I maintain that anyone aiding westjet management in breaking alpa is indeed a contemptible person, a SCAB, in the same way as those who took jobs at georgian and skyregional early on that forced Jazz's concessionary contract in 2015.

fire away!

Contract guys are making considerably more than union wages. But feel free to call them whatever you’d like, doubt they’ll really care what you think.

[WeedPro2000]

... I maintain that anyone aiding westjet management in breaking alpa is indeed a contemptible person, a SCAB, in the same way as those who took jobs at georgian and skyregional early on that forced Jazz's concessionary contract in 2015.

fire away!

And everyone who took a job at WestJet in the past 15 years, and forced ACPA to accept Rouge with it's lower wages and working conditions is a scab. A scurrilous scoundrel of a scab!

Huzzah!!!

Using your definition, I'm a scab. So what? You think that matters somehow? What are you going to do? Call me names?

Whatever...

[ggofp]

wow, you are casting the net out further than I. OK, scabs you were and so too the Encore guys that by accepting the terms they did, started the regional race to the bottom we see now. What I believe is that by working for a non union company that does not enjoy collective bargaining rights the earning potential of this profession in this country suffers.

[Gilles Hudicourt]

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AMONG OTHER THINGS, THE QUOTED POST IS HISTORICAL REVISONIST MALE BOVINE EXCRETA!

Gilles has the order wrong. ALPA did not start negotiating their first contract with WJ pilots, and then WJ decided to form Swoop. This is a lie. Get it? A lie. WJ has been looking at the ULCC space for a few years, worried about the entry of a competitor in that space. Here's the order hoe things happened:

1. WestJet announces intention to form a ULCC on April 20, 2017 (Hitler's birthday; 4/20: International "smoke a spliff day")
2. ALPA, later that same day, announces intention to hold a certification vote
3. May 12, 2017 ALPA is successful with the certification vote and forms first union at WJ

Everyone clear on the process and the timing? Gilles?

So you claim there is no relation between one and the other ?

Or rather that the Union drive was announced in reaction to the No Frill airline ?



www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/west-jet ... -1.4077103

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/westjet ... -1.4079005

[C.W.E.]

one who works for less than union wages or on nonunion terms

Then I must have been a scab because I never worked for a unionised company.

I always worked on non union terms because I didn't need a union to make good wages.

[WeedPro2000]

Is a "foreign scab" worse than a "domestic scab"?

[goingnowherefast]

It doesnt matter. As long as they're working for crap wages to keep your profit sharing cheques nice and fat.

[cloak]

Same owner. Same shareholders. Same aircraft. Same country. Same taxes. Same landing fees. Same Navigation fees. Same insurance. Same fuel costs. Same maintenance costs. Same laws.

They could have taken some mainline aircraft, increased the number of seat to 189 and operated them out of Abbotsford and Hamilton as Westjet used to do in their early "low cost" days, calling it a low cost service like Air Canada had tried with Zip and Tango.

Same as Loblaws and No Frills, or Metro and Food Basics, different companies in the corporation targeting different market segments. Canadian Tire does it too.

You may think an airline within another airline is such a smart idea, but a full fee paying passenger next to another passenger paying half on an internet airline within that airline likely disagrees. Different companies serving different market segments, especially in this case since they don't even connect passengers or bags, totally separate.

[cloak]

I'm getting tired of people narrowing the definition of scab to only strikebreakers. Below is the Merriam-Webster dictionary's definition of a scab

a : a contemptible person
b (1) : a worker who refuses to join a labor union (2) : a union member who refuses to strike or returns to work before a strike has ended (3) : a worker who accepts employment or replaces a union worker during a strike (4) : one who works for less than union wages or on nonunion terms

I maintain that anyone aiding westjet management in breaking alpa is indeed a contemptible person, a SCAB, in the same way as those who took jobs at georgian and skyregional early on that forced Jazz's concessionary contract in 2015.

fire away!

That's a pretty self-serving definition likely by a union promoter! By that definition everyone that doesn't fall in that very narrow category is a scab?! Like followers of one religion calling every one else infidel!

[Oxi]

Seeing as the current guys starting are; a Cargojet Captain, a Porter pilot, a previous Sunwing/87 instructor whos now Swoop training standards, maybe a Barrick Gold Captain, even Encore's VP of flight ops and some Sky Regional people... they are getting a mix!

[complexintentions]

I think the main takeaway is: they're getting people. The name-calling, threats, and insults are, as expected, completely ineffective.

Nothing personal, just business...

[schnitzel2k3]

Seeing as the current guys starting are; a Cargojet Captain, a Porter pilot, a previous Sunwing/87 instructor whos now Swoop training standards, maybe a Barrick Gold Captain, even Encore's VP of flight ops and some Sky Regional people... they are getting a mix!

That is crazy to see such a mix of experience. I wonder if it's opportunity or location.

My money is not everyone wants to drive into Toronto or Vancouver everyday. Hamilton or Abbotsford are perfect for those wanting to trim down their commute. Vancouver is getting particularly nasty.

S.

[JohnnyHotRocks]

Seeing as the current guys starting are; a Cargojet Captain, a Porter pilot, a previous Sunwing/87 instructor whos now Swoop training standards, maybe a Barrick Gold Captain, even Encore's VP of flight ops and some Sky Regional people... they are getting a mix!

I am surprised that none of these guys were concerned about the blacklist! Surely they all must be worried that by this point in their careers they will never make it right seat at AC!

[schnitzel2k3]

Seeing as the current guys starting are; a Cargojet Captain, a Porter pilot, a previous Sunwing/87 instructor whos now Swoop training standards, maybe a Barrick Gold Captain, even Encore's VP of flight ops and some Sky Regional people... they are getting a mix!

I am surprised that none of these guys were concerned about the blacklist! Surely they all must be worried that by this point in their careers they will never make it right seat at AC!

Encore's VP of Flight Ops might be the only one who's making a bold move. Otherwise we have someone tired of flying on the back of the clock, a few upgrading, and someone who likely was laid off.

S.

[WeedPro2000]

https://pink-shirtday.squarespace.com/what-is-bullying/

I'd love to know what pilots who use terms like "scab" to refer to their coworkers tell their kids about bullying. Perhaps it's time for me to die my pilot shirt pink.

Honey, it's only okay to intimidate someone and call them names if they disagree with your point of view, if they are grown ups and members of a labour union. That's different from what's happening to your friend at school. That's bullying. Taking a person's lunch and physically pushing them around and calling them names like retarded is bullying. Remember, it's only okay to call someone names and shout at them if you're a grown up standing in a line holding signs with words on them like "Unity" or "Rights" or "Fair" on them.

[Gino Under]

I can't understand it.
It's all clear to me now...
Now I know why there's a pilot shortage in Canada.
No one wants to work here, except foreigners and members of American pilot unions.
All the other Canadian pilots who've figured that out DON'T WORK HERE.
LMFAO

apathy's a wonderful thing...

Gino Under

[nottellin]

Seeing as the current guys starting are; a Cargojet Captain, a Porter pilot, a previous Sunwing/87 instructor whos now Swoop training standards, maybe a Barrick Gold Captain, even Encore's VP of flight ops and some Sky Regional people... they are getting a mix!

I am surprised that none of these guys were concerned about the blacklist! Surely they all must be worried that by this point in their careers they will never make it right seat at AC!

funny.

But come on, it is a greasy move by Westjet management as they are trying to circumvent a unionized workforce, ....

[Victory]

It kind of sounds like people that got rejected by AC and had no other paths to take.

[Gilles Hudicourt]

Perhaps Gilles could explain how successful Zip and Tango were.

Did I ever advocate for Zip and Tango in any form ?

[JohnnyHotRocks]

It kind of sounds like people that got rejected by AC and had no other paths to take.

That is true. Not everyone is good enough to make the red team!