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Re: WestJet pilots to fly Swoop aircraft

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Jumbo744 wrote: Fri Jun 15, 2018 9:14 am
J Roc wrote: Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:35 am
flyzam wrote: Thu Jun 14, 2018 5:30 pm

They let you guys fly airplanes? No wonder they were trying to hire OTS
Hahaha. I'm an average pilot at best my friend! :D

Can't say that I've ever been deemed un-upgradeable though. Can all the "OTS" captains make that claim? :wink:
Slow down here...Here are some FACTS: Most OTS Captains at Swoop were all either: Captains on widebodies in the Gulf, in Asia, Europe or even at Cargojet. Those guys were Captains, Training Captains on A330s, 777s, 787s, 75/767s, etc...Same for the FOs they were Captains on smaller jets here in Canada.
Calm down, I'm just asking a question. The question was "can ALLof the OTS captains make that claim".

However, you didn't really answer the question, which is fine - I don't think it'll matter soon enough. Once the 26 replacement captains are trained up, the OTS captains will be " directed otherwise by the Meditator/Arbitratior".

The ball is still in play.
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Re: WestJet pilots to fly Swoop aircraft

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True North wrote: Fri Jun 15, 2018 9:53 am
J Roc wrote: Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:35 am
flyzam wrote: Thu Jun 14, 2018 5:30 pm

They let you guys fly airplanes? No wonder they were trying to hire OTS
Hahaha. I'm an average pilot at best my friend! :D

Can't say that I've ever been deemed un-upgradeable though. Can all the "OTS" captains make that claim? :wink:
I have no idea but they are undoubtedly more mature and professional. If I were a WestJet pilot I would be profoundly embarrassed to admit it with what is going on here. Just pathetic.
:? Honest questions and playful banter on a public forum are the measure of "maturity and professionalism"? Sorry you feel that way. :?

Other than being a average pilot at best, I'm respectful and professional. The swoop pilots will get the same professional respect I give every other pilot I cross paths with. Nothing more, nothing less.

Most people know who I am on here and I don't cower behind an anonymous handle. My opinions are consistent in person - I honestly believe that the OTS pilots don't deserve those jobs and that some may not keep the title of Captain. This doesn't make me " immature" or "unprofessional', it makes me an individual with independent thought.

As far as the bad jokes and misinterpreted banter? Well, I'm just having a bit of fun - try not to take this too serious.
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Re: WestJet pilots to fly Swoop aircraft

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J Roc wrote: Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:32 am
True North wrote: Fri Jun 15, 2018 9:53 am
J Roc wrote: Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:35 am

Hahaha. I'm an average pilot at best my friend! :D

Can't say that I've ever been deemed un-upgradeable though. Can all the "OTS" captains make that claim? :wink:
I have no idea but they are undoubtedly more mature and professional. If I were a WestJet pilot I would be profoundly embarrassed to admit it with what is going on here. Just pathetic.
:? Honest questions and playful banter on a public forum are the measure of "maturity and professionalism"? Sorry you feel that way. :?

Other than being a average pilot at best, I'm respectful and professional. The swoop pilots will get the same professional respect I give every other pilot I cross paths with. Nothing more, nothing less.

Most people know who I am on here and I don't cower behind an anonymous handle. My opinions are consistent in person - I honestly believe that the OTS pilots don't deserve those jobs and that some may not keep the title of Captain. This doesn't make me " immature" or "unprofessional', it makes me an individual with independent thought.

As far as the bad jokes and misinterpreted banter? Well, I'm just having a bit of fun - try not to take this too serious.
Trust me, I stopped taking you seriously quite a while ago.
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Re: WestJet pilots to fly Swoop aircraft

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True North wrote: Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:45 am
J Roc wrote: Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:32 am
True North wrote: Fri Jun 15, 2018 9:53 am
I have no idea but they are undoubtedly more mature and professional. If I were a WestJet pilot I would be profoundly embarrassed to admit it with what is going on here. Just pathetic.
:? Honest questions and playful banter on a public forum are the measure of "maturity and professionalism"? Sorry you feel that way. :?

Other than being a average pilot at best, I'm respectful and professional. The swoop pilots will get the same professional respect I give every other pilot I cross paths with. Nothing more, nothing less.

Most people know who I am on here and I don't cower behind an anonymous handle. My opinions are consistent in person - I honestly believe that the OTS pilots don't deserve those jobs and that some may not keep the title of Captain. This doesn't make me " immature" or "unprofessional', it makes me an individual with independent thought.

As far as the bad jokes and misinterpreted banter? Well, I'm just having a bit of fun - try not to take this too serious.
Trust me, I stopped taking you seriously quite a while ago.
Bahaha! Saw that coming... :lol:
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Why are there 6 more “bypass” positions in YHM? Does that mean in YHM there will be 23 OUT OF SENORITY pilots occupying the left seat, plus 23 bypass pilots from the June bid. Plus 6 more now?
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Tacoma wrote: Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:23 pm Why are there 6 more “bypass” positions in YHM? Does that mean in YHM there will be 23 OUT OF SENORITY pilots occupying the left seat, plus 23 bypass pilots from the June bid. Plus 6 more now?
Those are the first of the 23 pilots who are currently awarded the bypass positions starting to arrive at Swoop, don’t go getting all excited, there aren’t any more, yet.
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Hey Tbaylx,

Enough with the cavalier attitude.

Every time we here that disgusting call sign on the radio we all die inside.

My "jumpseat" will never be open to the "26".

Pound sand,

Regards,

The rest of Canadian aviation
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Re: WestJet pilots to fly Swoop aircraft

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Ex99guy wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 12:19 am Hey Tbaylx,

Enough with the cavalier attitude.

Every time we here that disgusting call sign on the radio we all die inside.

My "jumpseat" will never be open to the "26".

Pound sand,

Regards,

The rest of Canadian aviation
You sound way too emotional. Very few people care about ''Your'' jumpseat. And by the way Swoop is expanding, you might actually need their jumpseat soon. You do not represent Canadian aviation. STFU and thank you.
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Swoop is expanding with all WJ pilots, so it's a tail/uniform shuffle...so yeah those jumps seats will be open.
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Re: WestJet pilots to fly Swoop aircraft

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Ex99guy wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 12:19 am Hey Tbaylx,

Enough with the cavalier attitude.

Every time we here that disgusting call sign on the radio we all die inside.

My "jumpseat" will never be open to the "26".

Pound sand,

Regards,

The rest of Canadian aviation

First , I have no skin in this game just to be clear from the outset.

I have a question for you. Say a guy was PFO’d by WJ, by AC, by encore. Your telling me you can be upset with that guy taking a swoop job. If so then I think you are the one with some anger issues.
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Ex99guy wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 12:19 am Hey Tbaylx,

Enough with the cavalier attitude.

Every time we here that disgusting call sign on the radio we all die inside.

My "jumpseat" will never be open to the "26".

Pound sand,

Regards,

The rest of Canadian aviation
Hey turboprop pusher. You don't speak for me. Move on and grow up loser.

Sincerely the rest of Canadian Aviation that doesn't give a toss about pilots that clean planes
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Ex99guy wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 12:19 am Hey Tbaylx,

Enough with the cavalier attitude.

Every time we here that disgusting call sign on the radio we all die inside.

My "jumpseat" will never be open to the "26".

Pound sand,

Regards,

The rest of Canadian aviation
Still stuck at encore Ex99guy? If it makes you feel better, never mind, with your attitude you were probably deemed unupgradable
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Was told today that 6 of the previously awarded bypass positions resigned for DEC’s at Sunwing....therefore 6 more bypass Captains required to keep the total at 23 since 3 positions were previously eliminated.....time will tell if this is accurate.
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Ex DC10 Driver wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 7:55 pm Was told today that 6 of the previously awarded bypass positions resigned for DEC’s at Sunwing....therefore 6 more bypass Captains required to keep the total at 23 since 3 positions were previously eliminated.....time will tell if this is accurate.
That is correct, Sunwing has accepted a number of Swoop pilots into their ranks. Expect more to come.
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Just to clarify are these 6 westjet pilots who were awarded bypass positions and have now quit to fly for sunwing? Or 6 OTS original swoop pilots quit for sunwing?
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They are WestJet F/O’s. If they were Swoop Captains then the bypass positions would of been reduced by 6 as per Kaplan’s ruling.
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eyebrow737 wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:42 pm
Ex99guy wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 12:19 am Hey Tbaylx,

Enough with the cavalier attitude.

Every time we here that disgusting call sign on the radio we all die inside.

My "jumpseat" will never be open to the "26".

Pound sand,

Regards,

The rest of Canadian aviation
Hey turboprop pusher. You don't speak for me. Move on and grow up loser.

Sincerely the rest of Canadian Aviation that doesn't give a toss about pilots that clean planes
I'm confused. He's referring to westjet pilots specifically, and you're refering to westjet pilots. Its an accurate statement that he as a WJ pilot will deny those swoop pilots the jump seat. I gather youre not? So what do you care? Whose the loser now, oh that's right someone didnt get involved in your labour dispute.

Skyhunter, as for the getting PFO comment, yeah if you've had all those doors slammed in your face, it's time to take a long hard look in the mirror. It's a piss poor argument, especially during a pilot shortage. Look I know that this industry is anything but fair, some great people have been turned away for silly reasons, but that doesnt give them a right to jump into a labour dispute and not expect backlash.
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KAG wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:04 pm
eyebrow737 wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:42 pm
Ex99guy wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 12:19 am Hey Tbaylx,

Enough with the cavalier attitude.

Every time we here that disgusting call sign on the radio we all die inside.

My "jumpseat" will never be open to the "26".

Pound sand,

Regards,

The rest of Canadian aviation
Hey turboprop pusher. You don't speak for me. Move on and grow up loser.

Sincerely the rest of Canadian Aviation that doesn't give a toss about pilots that clean planes
I'm confused. He's referring to westjet pilots specifically, and you're refering to westjet pilots. Its an accurate statement that he as a WJ pilot will deny those swoop pilots the jump seat. I gather youre not? So what do you care? Whose the loser now, oh that's right someone didnt get involved in your labour dispute.

Skyhunter, as for the getting PFO comment, yeah if you've had all those doors slammed in your face, it's time to take a long hard look in the mirror. It's a piss poor argument, especially during a pilot shortage. Look I know that this industry is anything but fair, some great people have been turned away for silly reasons, but that doesnt give them a right to jump into a labour dispute and not expect backlash.
Eh? I'm taking exception at junior talking for "the rest of Canadian Aviation". Wtf are you talking about?
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Jumbo744 wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:20 am
Ex99guy wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 12:19 am Hey Tbaylx,

Enough with the cavalier attitude.

Every time we here that disgusting call sign on the radio we all die inside.

My "jumpseat" will never be open to the "26".

Pound sand,

Regards,

The rest of Canadian aviation
You sound way too emotional. Very few people care about ''Your'' jumpseat. And by the way Swoop is expanding, you might actually need their jumpseat soon. You do not represent Canadian aviation. STFU and thank you.
I understand his POV better than I understand anyone defending these backstabbing dirty 30.

Ya maybe “rest of Canadian aviation “ is broad .
However, 91 % of WJ pilots telling these guys to “pound sand “ is pretty accurate .
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KAG wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:04 pm
eyebrow737 wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:42 pm
Ex99guy wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 12:19 am Hey Tbaylx,

Enough with the cavalier attitude.

Every time we here that disgusting call sign on the radio we all die inside.

My "jumpseat" will never be open to the "26".



Pound sand,

Regards,

The rest of Canadian aviation
Hey turboprop pusher. You don't speak for me. Move on and grow up loser.

Sincerely the rest of Canadian Aviation that doesn't give a toss about pilots that clean planes
I'm confused. He's referring to westjet pilots specifically, and you're refering to westjet pilots. Its an accurate statement that he as a WJ pilot will deny those swoop pilots the jump seat. I gather youre not? So what do you care? Whose the loser now, oh that's right someone didnt get involved in your labour dispute.

Skyhunter, as for the getting PFO comment, yeah if you've had all those doors slammed in your face, it's time to take a long hard look in the mirror. It's a piss poor argument, especially during a pilot shortage. Look I know that this industry is anything but fair, some great people have been turned away for silly reasons, but that doesnt give them a right to jump into a labour dispute and not expect backlash.
Kag

I respectfully disagree with your opinion. If I had all those doors slammed in my face I am sure I would have seriously considered applying. Fortunately I am not in that situation. And if you were, can you honestly say you wouldn’t have thought about it? Maybe you can but I think you would be a rare case personally.
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