YYZ SLOTS.....Again

[JohnnyHotRocks]

Just read on the OpsGroup daily email that YYZ will be requiring GA slots again starting next month. Anyone have any additional info?
What a pain in the ass

[CL-Skadoo!]

I thought they got the message the last time they pulled this stunt. I haven't received anything official yet, but it must be coming very soon. All I can hope is that they handle it differently this time around because it turned my stints at work into a living hell.

[CL-Skadoo!]

d/p

[CAL]

for those in the know is this for all GA...even if you come there say once or twice a month.....or just the regular charter guys
how is it managed and how would you get a slot?

[schnitzel2k3]

I quit. When's Canada Jetlines getting started? Will they pay more than 500 to fly left on the 320? Time to say peace out to Pearson.

S.

[cdnpilot77]

As far as I know, w haven’t heard about any new slot requirements. It was originally planned for October/November, but shortly after the last round, there was a notice saying that they accomplished everything they needed to and that’s further restrictions would not be required. Unless something new has come up? Fingers crossed, those slots were a nightmare!!

[altiplano]

CDM trial coming to Pearson in November.

https://www.airport-technology.com/news ... n-airport/

[cdnpilot77]

I believe CDM has been in use by companies like fltplan.com for while to forsee issues with EDCT times etc and get flight plans into the cue early to try and help flight plan filers avoid delay. If I am filing with fltplan.com, whenever possible, I plan/file 24hrs in advance and let them file it early if necessary. They usually send it exactly 2hrs before scheduled departures, but I have seen as much as 6-7hrs before departure from TEB, KAGS, KORD. Sometimes works, sometimes not....I guess its a "we'll see".

[JohnnyHotRocks]

From FSB Ops Group...

The airport authority has provided more details on the changes to slot requirements planned for Nov. Slots are currently required for all flights between 0030-0630 local time. But with the planned introduction of an Airport Collaborative Decision Making (A-CDM), from Nov 17 onwards, slots will be required for GA/BA flights H24.

[schnitzel2k3]

From FSB Ops Group...

The airport authority has provided more details on the changes to slot requirements planned for Nov. Slots are currently required for all flights between 0030-0630 local time. But with the planned introduction of an Airport Collaborative Decision Making (A-CDM), from Nov 17 onwards, slots will be required for GA/BA flights H24.

Ouch, they didn't even list time slots after nov. 17th, would that be all day JHR?

S.

[JohnnyHotRocks]

I assume so. It says H24. 24 hours a day

[rippey]

I hope it is along the lines of what Vegas has now - more of a planning tool than a strict slot system. According to people I’ve talked to at Nav Canada most capacity restrictions at YYZ are due to lack of gate availability, not arrival/departure rates. Since we don’t occupy gates we are not in the way nearly as much as the GTAA would try and have everyone believe.

[schnitzel2k3]

I hope it is along the lines of what Vegas has now - more of a planning tool than a strict slot system. According to people I’ve talked to at Nav Canada most capacity restrictions at YYZ are due to lack of gate availability, not arrival/departure rates. Since we don’t occupy gates we are not in the way nearly as much as the GTAA would try and have everyone believe.

Unless it's anything Citation minus the 10, or a Caravan (same approach speeds lol).

S.

[JohnnyHotRocks]

Delayed now until 2019

[JohnnyHotRocks]

Here we go.....
Haven’t had a chance to read all 11 pages yet

http://www.navcanada.ca/EN/products-and ... 01.pdf#top

[CL-Skadoo!]

That was a painful read and I think I have to read it again.

[Liftdump]

Reading War and Peace backwards would make more sense than this drivel

[Ki-ll]

Seems like pretty standard slot procedures. All of Europe operates like that.

[wallypilot]

Agreed, pretty standard..except for the reservation system. I can arrange slots in Zurich or Glasgow weeks in advance. But for Pearson, I have to wait until 72 hrs prior? So the aircraft owner gets a disadvantage for being organized and planning trips further ahead? I see what Pearson is doing. They don’t want their tenants to be adversely affected and that they get the slots they need...but it’s the only airport I’ve been to that has such a restriction.

[JohnnyHotRocks]

The big question is how hard will it be to get a slot, or get a reissued slot once your pax shows up late?

[Ki-ll]

The big question is how hard will it be to get a slot, or get a reissued slot once your pax shows up late?

I would imagine that if there is one they’ll give it to you. Why wouldn’t they?

[JohnnyHotRocks]

I mean is there a limited hourly amount like last time for GA

[schnitzel2k3]

Is the GTAA and NAV Canada at Pearson so hard done by with general aviation that they need to restrict one of the few major advantages with said aviation?

Owners rarely, if ever, abide by a necessarily predetermined schedule. Most of these people are at a level where the world they live in absolutely revolves around their variable schedule.

Why do they think this is necessary. Pearson is busy, but nowhere near busy enough for the need to institute slots.

S.

[JohnnyHotRocks]

Agreed, pretty standard..except for the reservation system. I can arrange slots in Zurich or Glasgow weeks in advance. But for Pearson, I have to wait until 72 hrs prior? So the aircraft owner gets a disadvantage for being organized and planning trips further ahead? I see what Pearson is doing. They don’t want their tenants to be adversely affected and that they get the slots they need...but it’s the only airport I’ve been to that has such a restriction.

Aircraft based in YYZ can put in for a slot 30days in advance

[wallypilot]

ExActly my point...sorry should have been more crystal clear..,for non yyz based operators,if I know I want to come from yvr 4 weeks from now, but I can’t tell my boss if we can get that time or not? Ridiculous.