Amazing "rescue"...

[No Conflict]

Hey All, saw on the news yesterday a short vid clip about what looked like a 182RG that was having problems with its right main gear, wouldn't come down. What they did was, three guys got in a Jeep with the top off, drove along the runway at 65mph, and the guy in the back, with a pole, snared the gear and pulled it out... PLane landed safely after that!!

Then it said the FAA was investigating to see if any laws were broken.... Geuss they would rather have the plane in a smoking pile on the runway instead...

[desksgo]

This just in....

http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopic.php?t=10962

It's ok I was just about to make a post about buying a PPC and someone told me that it had been done too. We're running out of good topics I guess. Or do you just avoid the topics to which I post?

The event happened here in New Smyrna, FL . I even made a suggestion as to why the FAA is investigating. Has something to do with with a plane rolled up in a ball with a jeep instead of a plane with just a scraped belly. The FAA isn't into the whole flying circus bit anymore, go figure

[No Conflict]

Hmm... well then... my bad....

Now why would I avoid your posts?

Ok ok, let's get back to that "buying your PPC" thing...

[N2]

Why anyone would risk such a stunt is beyond me but if I were his insurance carrier I would drop him in a heart beat...if he did something this stupid who knows what he is capable of doing.

[BirdDog IV]

Maybe the Florida Highway Patrol will go after the guy driving the truck....who knows?

[ahramin]

Ah yes, the "I'm safe because i don't do anything dangerous" crowd. I guess these guys should have been shut down on day 2 because they were going to kill someone instead of operating for 64 days straight without an accident.

http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/ ... 88716.html

To refuel, men in a stake truck would drive a desert road at about 80 mph and, with the plane flying overhead about the same speed, attach a gas line to a rope thrown from the Cessna. The gas would then be pumped, a procedure that took only a few minutes. Those on the ground also would resupply the pilots with food and clothing.

The first guys to do this stunt, flying a cessna for just under 50 days, were refuelled by thier wives going down the runway in a convertible caddy handing up gas jugs. No accident there either.

[desksgo]

Ah yes, the "I'm safe because i don't do anything dangerous" crowd. I guess these guys should have been shut down on day 2 because they were going to kill someone instead of operating for 64 days straight without an accident.

Man...that's a pretty bad example for your "argument". You're comparing apples and oranges. People used to get paid to fly into barns full of hay, I guess you could use that for an argument down the road.

No I am not safe because I don't do anything dangerous, I minimize risk by trying to think through the outcomes of my actions before I pull some stupid stunt like the one mentioned. Read the first thread on this topic.

There are few stituations that afford you the option to think things through, but when you are afforded such an option, why not try using your noodle?

And WHEN my gear becomes stuck, I will try to think through all available options, along with their impact to those in my aircraft AND on the ground before I make my landing. But rest assured, I won't be endangering anyone on the ground in hopes of being a super hero and saving some bent props.

[ahramin]

Well said desksgo.

If the air is smooth, the procedure is briefed, and everyone is knowledgeably comfortable with the plan, this seems like an option to me. Under many conditions just getting on the ground might be the best solution, but i am not sure that that is the case for all conditions.

My biggest concern with trying to get the gear down while flying over a truck would be "What if the gear comes down?"

However, my plane is not a retract and my boss does not care how much it costs to get on the ground safely if things go wrong so i am not likely to be in this position.

And for the record, i would fly an airplane into a barn full of hay if you paid me enough.

[desksgo]

And for the record, i would fly an airplane into a barn full of hay if you paid me enough.

[monkeyspankmasterflex]

Wasn't a wing-walker hanging by a safety line saved in a similar stunt a few years back? All is well that ends well I guess.

[linecrew]

This sort of thing has been done before:

http://www.aviationpics.de/little/altgear.jpg

Some of you may recall seeing this incident with the Piper Arrow on That's Incredible (TV show) back inthe 80's.

[LostinRotation]

Why anyone would risk such a stunt is beyond me but if I were his insurance carrier I would drop him in a heart beat...if he did something this stupid who knows what he is capable of doing.

Unless the gear problem was due to negligence or cutting corners....
If I was his carrier, knowing what odds they would go to in order to get the aircraft on the ground safely, I would try to get the guy a discount. The least I could do was try to save the guy some coin after he just saved my company an expensive claim.


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[stuckmike]

Whatever happened to the days of laughing over things like this over a few beers. Crazy shit happens all the time. I think the lawyers and suits are slowly contaminating us and sucking the fun out of everything. Don't get me wrong. Safe is good. But take it easy. Anyone hurt? Plane land okay? Where's the problem. These guys had a problem, found a solution, thinking on their feet. If I was flying that bird...... I'd do anything to get her on the ground safe. Granted I don't know the details/ history of pilot or company but I am bored so i decided to post.

Cheers

[desksgo]

Whatever happened to the days of laughing over things like this over a few beers.

Hmmm we "said so long" to that the day we decided that stupidity was killing too many people. If you want to laugh off unsubstantiated risks over a cold one, head on back to the 50s, but you can have their accident rates too.

This industry has come too far for such stupidity. And Lost in Rotation, try applying for insurance after you sliced a guy in a jeep into little pieces while performing a low pass.

Do you guys think proactively at all? It's not an insult, but if you get an emergency and you have time to think through actions versus consequences do you do it?

Or is it "I gotta get this plane down in the exact shape it was in, no matter what"?

I flew with a guy once, we had some sort of "minor" malfunction with our only engine, his reaction word for word: "We're getting this bird back to the airport even if it kills me" . I could tell I had a guy who was really running all the options through his skull. Sounds good bucky, I like airports too, but how 'bout we have some nice fields in mind in the meantime?

[fanspeed]

And for the record, i would fly an airplane into a barn full of hay if you paid me enough.

I'd do it for free. Wanna lend me your aircraft?

[oldtimer]

I also saw the video clip on some TV show hosted by Alex Trebeck and my first thought was that this was some dumb-ass stupid last ditch effort stunt dreamed up by some idiot who did not have any insurance on his airplane. He could have very easily killed the flight instructor in the Arrow, the mechanic hanging out thesunroof and himself. I always tell our pilots in groundschool that a gear up landing in most aircrft, when proper procedures are used, is not a life and death situation. I watched a BAron land gear up when the pilot forgot and the airplane simply slid to a stop. They had time to remove all their luggage before the airplane burned to a crisp. I also saw the result of a Cessna 337 that landed gear up and damage was minimal.
For those interested, the wingwalker was hung up under a modified Waco flown by Jimmy Franklin, one of the two pilots killed in the mid air at the Moose Jaw Airshow this spring.

[stuckmike]

Hmmm we "said so long" to that the day we decided that stupidity was killing too many people. If you want to laugh off unsubstantiated risks over a cold one, head on back to the 50s, but you can have their accident rates too.

Fair enough. I guess i didn't think it through.

You did hit a point of discussion though. As far as accident rates in the 50's compared to now is that a fair comparison? Have the new safety methods of TC (SMS/CASO/MCM/MPM/MEL) really made a difference, or have the equipment (planes/engines/navigation/weathergathering) been the big difference in safety. Is the rate of accidents going down, or is there just more miles/aircraft being flown? I don't know but I hope someone here can shed some light on the subject.

If you ask me I think unfortunately the last few months have been just about as bad as any on record as far as aviation accidents and fatalities goes.

Cheers[/list]

[pay_roll]

Is that company selling a PPC?





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