I have been under the impression since the language proficiency thing came in that if there is no level listed on your licence, then it is assumed that you're at level 6.
The Canadian language thing caused me problems overseas. From the countries with common sense that classified me as a “ native English Speaker” , to countries that required me to take an English language test every five years because my Canadian license did not show the ICAO level. Btw...my English was multiples of levels better than the experts who did the oral part of the testing.
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Look at CAR 421.06 (4) as to what each level is defined as. Note that the Language proficiency in English or English and French will be annotated on the licence, however, the level of proficiency will not be indicated. http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/r ... htm#421_06
As for the circular. Appendix E also notes the levels. The only way I see to 'prove' to foreign airlines that the language requirements are met, is to to request an Aviation Language Proficiency Demonstration and have Transport provide a Feedback Letter that is signed and dated, attesting to your skills. Look at Appendices H & I https://www.tc.gc.ca/en/services/aviati ... appendix_e
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Canada only has three levels, expert, operational, not qualified. Operational equates to level 4 ICAO, if your license shows just English and French you are expert ( level 6) in both.
Sure, as long as you stay under your EASA license. But I think the point was that different regulators don't necessarily recognize your previous ELP, or even use standardized terminology.
EASA themselves don't recognize others, my EASA ELP was assessed as part of my radio license test. In spite of the fact I held clearly-denoted ICAO Level 6 on three other ATPL's (if one includes Canada). The constant replication of the same credentials does grow a bit tiresome, not to mention wasteful, expensive, and inefficient.
But then, EASA not playing nice with ICAO is another story (mostly involving greed and bureaucracy lol).
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OldInstructor wrote: ↑Sun Dec 16, 2018 11:11 pm
Canada only has three levels, expert, operational, not qualified. Operational equates to level 4 ICAO, if your license shows just English and French you are expert ( level 6) in both.
That's great news ! Thanks for that Oldinstructor.
Any chance you could point me to a reference mentioning this ? That would really help with jobs prospects abroad in some cases.
Thanks !
Thanks flyright28 !
Just checked on an authentification of license received.
It does mention my level 6 both in English and French.
Who would have thought ?
Cheers for all the replies and help.
To get English proficiency you must be tested. I am a native speaker and had to be tested to receive a letter stating that I can speak “aviation English”.
Seriously, I had to be tested at a flight school that was certified for that training by an individual that spoke English less than I did. There is a multiple choice followed by two aural responses required regarding an aviation incident. The more you talk; in future tenses etc, the better your marks.
A few weeks letter you get a letter giving you a level. At level 6 you do not need to be retested.
Turbolag wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 10:03 pm
To get English proficiency you must be tested. I am a native speaker and had to be tested to receive a letter stating that I can speak “aviation English”.
Seriously, I had to be tested at a flight school that was certified for that training by an individual that spoke English less than I did. There is a multiple choice followed by two aural responses required regarding an aviation incident. The more you talk; in future tenses etc, the better your marks.
A few weeks letter you get a letter giving you a level. At level 6 you do not need to be retested.
I've been flying for 12 years and I've never been tested. Was it possibly grandfathered in?
What I can't figure out is how the rocket scientists at tc actually determine how you are language qualified.
Live in Quebec, been to both language schools, so I get proficient in 2 languages stamped on the licence.
How do they know that? For all they know, I could be a unilingual English speaker.
Dumb system.
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Aviatard is close but not totally correct. TC conducted file reviews to determine competency. Communications such as letters and flight tests were reviewed. Most were assessed on that basis with some files with minimal information being dealt with by a phone conversations with an inspector or licensing officer.
