Things are brewing in the kitchen.

[Outlaw58]

Ya know I wish some of you guys were on the negotiating committee..,

I guess I'd get to see AC and Jazz management all curled up, crying in the fetal position because they just could not stand up to the almighty pilot group and had to give captain pay to everyone, bring back the DB pension, pay overtime for any flying done on evenings and weekends, 100% flow through to AC with full DOH seniority and pay protection,..... wow.....wouldn't that be nice.

If only we had these supah stars on the negotiating committee....

sigh

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[TheSocialChameleon]

What the hell is a blended payscale anyways. Is it an average of scale A and scale B. In which case you won't be making as much as you did pre-2015 scale but not as low as B scale?

No deal...

How about not making our labour cheaper again. Not watering down the A scale too.

It should not be a blended payscale. It should be a 'finally feed your family because a pilot is not an entry level job' scale.

[truedude]

What the hell is a blended payscale anyways. Is it an average of scale A and scale B. In which case you won't be making as much as you did pre-2015 scale but not as low as B scale?

No deal...

How about not making our labour cheaper again. Not watering down the A scale too.

It should not be a blended payscale. It should be a 'finally feed your family because a pilot is not an entry level job' scale.

The blended pay scale is that they merge at some point in the future. So lets take a number seemingly at random and call it 5 or 6 years, you will be where the current legacy table is. Think of it this way, there is no one left that is below x number of years on the legacy scale, so take the new pay scale up to 5 years, tack it onto the bottom of the legacy payscale.. voila, blended. And since they know most people have no intentions of staying for 5 or 6 years, the cost is minimal.

[C-GGGQ]

I thought it already did catch up around that mark?

[av8ts]

Piece of CRAP TA.

I disagree.


- 60% of AC pilots to come from Jazz- not insignificant with the hiring that is coming there with something like 1200 pilots required at AC in the next couple of years.
- 90% of those that apply will be accepted. In seniority so no BS about picking and choosing. Closest thing to a guaranteed to a job at AC for those interested. Anyone off the street would take those odds all day long

It doesn’t say 90% of those that apply will be accepted. It says “Air Canada must hire minimum of 90% of eligible candidates who apply”
What is the definition of an “eligible” candidate and will that definition be included in the CA?

[Lightchop]

I thought it already did catch up around that mark?

No it caught up at 15 and 20 in the respective pay tables.

[Lightchop]

Piece of CRAP TA.

I disagree.


- 60% of AC pilots to come from Jazz- not insignificant with the hiring that is coming there with something like 1200 pilots required at AC in the next couple of years.
- 90% of those that apply will be accepted. In seniority so no BS about picking and choosing. Closest thing to a guaranteed to a job at AC for those interested. Anyone off the street would take those odds all day long

It doesn’t say 90% of those that apply will be accepted. It says “Air Canada must hire minimum of 90% of eligible candidates who apply”
What is the definition of an “eligible” candidate and will that definition be included in the CA?

If it is will you vote Yes?

[av8ts]

No.

[LtDan]

I disagree.


- 60% of AC pilots to come from Jazz- not insignificant with the hiring that is coming there with something like 1200 pilots required at AC in the next couple of years.
- 90% of those that apply will be accepted. In seniority so no BS about picking and choosing. Closest thing to a guaranteed to a job at AC for those interested. Anyone off the street would take those odds all day long

It doesn’t say 90% of those that apply will be accepted. It says “Air Canada must hire minimum of 90% of eligible candidates who apply”
What is the definition of an “eligible” candidate and will that definition be included in the CA?

If it is will you vote Yes?

Also that language will be in the contract. Eligible is equal to the OTS expérience profile at AC. That’s it. Equal playing field and 60% of GS spots at AC for 17 years will be from Jazz pilots.

[blueskiessabove]

Piece of CRAP TA.

I disagree.

- Pay issues look to be addressed with Dash 8 cap lifted, a blended pay scale and better credit for captain pay
- Improvement to deadhead credit
- 60% of AC pilots to come from Jazz- not insignificant with the hiring that is coming there with something like 1200 pilots required at AC in the next couple of years.
- 90% of those that apply will be accepted. In seniority so no BS about picking and choosing. Closest thing to a guaranteed to a job at AC for those interested. Anyone off the street would take those odds all day long.
- Fleet guarantees and job security for those that want to stay, which we don't have past 2025 now. No small thing in this business. Don't underestimate the affect the C series and the AC RRA language can have on our flying.
- Georgian pilots not an issue. Small group and looks like many will not end up here anyway. Pay protection and base protection to mitigate the issue.

Basically protects those who want to stay and provides a guaranteed path to those that want to go to AC.

We would be stupid to vote this down.

Don't listen to anything 47north says cause he's obviously with the neg committee trying to sell this or one I'll informed individual.
We as pilots all have to stand together and say no to this bullshit and set by example that they can't push us around and they have to come back with something better.

[blueskiessabove]

You should never take the FIRST deal given to you. Basic negotiations. Go back and ask for more and get more. Our union guys are afraid to stand up to AC.

Jazz paid ALPA dues this whole time. The MEC at Jazz cannot represent GGN best interest. This is not a merger. We are only offering them employment.
BOTL or no deal! It’s legal.

And I hope you guys do that. It'd be idiotic for any of you to allow a competitor take your spots. A lot of you made sacrifices to be at Jazz, to have someone else come and skip line.

Agreed

[blueskiessabove]

I disagree.


- 60% of AC pilots to come from Jazz- not insignificant with the hiring that is coming there with something like 1200 pilots required at AC in the next couple of years.
- 90% of those that apply will be accepted. In seniority so no BS about picking and choosing. Closest thing to a guaranteed to a job at AC for those interested. Anyone off the street would take those odds all day long

The flow is a tactic like 2015 AC can stop the flow and start the flow whenever they feel like. There a different company and they hold the cards so if your hoping for this you shouldn't. They can take from wherever they feel like, think twice about hoping that this is a guaranteed

It doesn’t say 90% of those that apply will be accepted. It says “Air Canada must hire minimum of 90% of eligible candidates who apply”
What is the definition of an “eligible” candidate and will that definition be included in the CA?

If it is will you vote Yes?

[47north]

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Don't listen to anything 47north says cause he's obviously with the neg committee trying to sell this or one I'll informed individual.
We as pilots all have to stand together and say no to this bullshit and set by example that they can't push us around and they have to come back with something better.

Actually blueskiessabove not even close. I am not on the negotiating committee, but I do know some of them and have great respect for what they have brought this pilot group. We owe much of our working conditions to these guys. I am not an LEC/MEC member either. If I were in any of those capacities I would have the good sense not to be posting on a public forum. That fact that you are an LEC/MEC member, and continue to do so, speaks volumes about your judgment or lack thereof. Gives me cause to ignore your rhetoric and I hope for others too.

Ill informed? Perhaps on somethings, but I am well informed in this matter.

But since I am so ill informed as you say, tell us exactly what you would secure for the pilot group in this MOS? Right down to the details please. Not just more BS about 'they can't push us around' meant to rally people to your cause, but without any substance.

I trust that the negotiating committee and the rest of the MEC is playing the long game and acting is our best interests. Despite your political aspirations.