17 year TA?

[Lightchop]

Credit only after a 3.5 hr wait. They ran through the books and figured it only affected a small number of people. We should ask for credit after a 2 hour airport reserve.

I think you have completely unrealistic expectations of what to expect in a cost neutral period.

[truedude]

Credit only after a 3.5 hr wait. They ran through the books and figured it only affected a small number of people. We should ask for credit after a 2 hour airport reserve.

I think you have completely unrealistic expectations of what to expect in a cost neutral period.

There is nothing cost neutral when the company comes to you and says let us open your contract that still has another 7 years left in it. That is not cost neutral. When that happens, everything is on the table. EVERYTHING!!!!

[mbav8r]

Credit only after a 3.5 hr wait. They ran through the books and figured it only affected a small number of people. We should ask for credit after a 2 hour airport reserve.

I think you have completely unrealistic expectations of what to expect in a cost neutral period.

There is nothing cost neutral when the company comes to you and says let us open your contract that still has another 7 years left in it. That is not cost neutral. When that happens, everything is on the table. EVERYTHING!!!!

I don’t think you truly realize who you’re dealing with, Jazz, the company does not hold the cards, if we say no maybe GGN goes away anyway. Perhaps a carrot will be dangled in front of the Sky pilots, who’s response is an unknown at this point, they could very well be convinced that 2025 they will grow to 80-100 75 seat aircraft if they play ball, call this Calin’s plan B.
We are not in a shortage, every two years 500 FOs between Jazz, GGN and SR, will have the time requirement to upgrade, nothing preventing that from happening.
I will not gamble away my career, too much too lose and odds not in my favour, consider that as you think about your vote!

[truedude]

I think you have completely unrealistic expectations of what to expect in a cost neutral period.

There is nothing cost neutral when the company comes to you and says let us open your contract that still has another 7 years left in it. That is not cost neutral. When that happens, everything is on the table. EVERYTHING!!!!

I don’t think you truly realize who you’re dealing with, Jazz, the company does not hold the cards, if we say no maybe GGN goes away anyway. Perhaps a carrot will be dangled in front of the Sky pilots, who’s response is an unknown at this point, they could very well be convinced that 2025 they will grow to 80-100 75 seat aircraft if they play ball, call this Calin’s plan B.
We are not in a shortage, every two years 500 FOs between Jazz, GGN and SR, will have the time requirement to upgrade, nothing preventing that from happening.
I will not gamble away my career, too much too lose and odds not in my favour, consider that as you think about your vote!

I think you truly overestimate the number of licenses being issued in this country, and the number of pilots that then remain in this country. Not to mention that Jazz is pretty much the only airline in Canada that is staffed and compliant with the new duty regs. Which means even if they do go to Sky Regional, which is about to have a vote, they then have a lot of cards to play, plus they need to staff up quick to meet the new regs. In the long run, there will be no cost advantage left for them there. And if Air Canada decides they don't want to take any more Jazz pilots because we pissed them off, find, no one will come to work here and we will be unable to staff the flying we are contracted too. Not to mention the new legislation that prevents companies from simply undercutting each other to make everyone race to the bottom. There are other airlines in Canada aside from Air Canada. Lots of people at Sun Wing, Westjet, Transat, will never go to Air Canada.

I am prepared to venture into the unknown. If you want to stay close to shore where it is safe, I respect that. But for me, this is a solid no unless a lot more zeros get attached to it.

[Lightchop]

Credit only after a 3.5 hr wait. They ran through the books and figured it only affected a small number of people. We should ask for credit after a 2 hour airport reserve.

I think you have completely unrealistic expectations of what to expect in a cost neutral period.

There is nothing cost neutral when the company comes to you and says let us open your contract that still has another 7 years left in it. That is not cost neutral. When that happens, everything is on the table. EVERYTHING!!!!

Yeah .. you made my point. We have 7 years left of no ability to negotiate any increase in compensation.

[truedude]

I think you have completely unrealistic expectations of what to expect in a cost neutral period.

There is nothing cost neutral when the company comes to you and says let us open your contract that still has another 7 years left in it. That is not cost neutral. When that happens, everything is on the table. EVERYTHING!!!!

Yeah .. you made my point. We have 7 years left of no ability to negotiate any increase in compensation.

How are you under the believe that we have no ability to negotiate any increase in compensation? If you truly believe that you are beyond ignorant as to how labour relations work in this country and the reality of this current situation.

[TheSocialChameleon]

What a few of you (Lightchop included) have failed to realize.

Is that a CPA and union negotiations are completely different.

A union bargains for working conditions at the present company. Not on behalf of another company.

[Malfunction]

Well, it's better than current but it's really not alot. I would think with all the extra years on the contract and are ability to not STRIKE if the pilot shortage gets worse to increase wages you would think they would give us better incentives. Oh well I guess I'll be the disappointed child on Christmas morning who got soxs for Christmas who thought he was getting a bike.

[ragequit]

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[Inverted2]

Not a raise at all. 2%/yr won’t cut it.

[daedalusx]

This is going to be a very very tight vote. Wouldn’t be surprised if it didn’t pass.

[Rowdy]

This will not pass. People are already sharpening their pitchforks.

I had pretty low expectations, but this is a serious slap in the dick

[Fanblade]

Is it going for a vote? Or has the MEC just accepted it?

[Transition9er2]

Are we still waiting to get the details sent out on this or do we have to wait until all roadshows are complete before we have access to the specifics?

[ted_stryker]

It's on the alpa website. MOS19

[Inverted2]

Is it going for a vote? Or has the MEC just accepted it?

MEC reached an agreement with AC and Jazz but it's subject to ratification by the Jazz pilots.

[BE02 Driver]

What a joke. That'll be a no from me.

Where are those numbers in comparison to the current A and B scale? Honest Question. I don't work at Jazz.

[CFM56]

What a joke. That'll be a no from me.

Where are those numbers in comparison to the current A and B scale? Honest Question. I don't work at Jazz.

Well BE02 Driver, my year 2 FO pay goes up by $2.50-hr, but we aren’t being blocked at 85hrs like we should be... and being stuck on reserve I get the AVG with hardly any per diems because I haven’t been called in weeks

[flyingcanuck]

What a joke. That'll be a no from me.

Where are those numbers in comparison to the current A and B scale? Honest Question. I don't work at Jazz.

Well BE02 Driver, my year 2 FO pay goes up by $2.50-hr, but we aren’t being blocked at 85hrs like we should be... and being stuck on reserve I get the AVG with hardly any per diems because I haven’t been called in weeks

Same here, RSV in Vancouver, its brutal. The 100-200$ a month "raise" is a joke

[Malfunction]

It's good and bad. I'm so conflicted. To bad they didnt add $5-$6 more to starting fo pay to really lock this in.
The good- movement will be fast lots of people going to ac
The bad - the YOS and "pay increase" are both insulting...and anyone else notice that no pay bump in July for guy 6 years and under but the rest get it? Wtf!?

[ikarus]

2% a year for the next 17 years???? You are kidding me right?!

I mean I thought we learned something years ago when we got suckered and pressured into the current CA with Air Canada but it looks like some people just never learn...
And if that is so, then we don't deserve any better and if I was the company guy I wouldn't give you even 2% because you have no self respect at all. And on top of that you want to slide in GGN guys who caused you all of this mess and hardship years ago when they took your flying away.

I don't hate GGN guys, I used to be on of them years ago before the CRJ go in, but they signed the deal last time and knew the consequences right there and then, that would affect all regional players in Canada including Jazz? Did they say NO to the offer then? So why should Jazz pilots give them DOH when they are already giving them a rescue raft to come on board and join the better CA and not end up on the street? So if we follow this mentality of " lets do the right thing" and stop the pilot seniority abuse in Canada, how about ACPA open up their doors to anyone from Jazz and let them port their seniority? Right, I thought so... How about Transat or WJ then? You know, both of these guys are ALPA and a 20yr old Jazz guy would love to slide in and above bunch of those guys to fly a A320 or B737 for more money...would that be nice and fair? Sure it would..

Man oh man....the whining and complaining in the cockpit and crew rooms never ends but when a" slap in your face" TA gets presented to us then somehow we endorse right away....

[Daniel Cooper]

Without the ability to strike what is the point of all this? Vote yes if it's better than what you think you'll get in arbitration?

[TheSocialChameleon]

Credit only after a 3.5 hr wait. They ran through the books and figured it only affected a small number of people. We should ask for credit after a 2 hour airport reserve.

I think you have completely unrealistic expectations of what to expect in a cost neutral period.

Cost neutral period haha. AC made over a billion bucks profit just selling add on services last year.
Get your facts straight EDITED.

NO doxxing, please!

[All DAY EVERY DAY]

And they say it's an opportunity to correct the mistakes from the past. Voting yes to this would completely screw the new guy over. The math on that pay scale is cents for the first so many years. The guys that started in the last 2 years at jazz are getting hit very hard here. The AG captain comes and gets to keep his salary while a guy higher in seniority makes 40 bucks an hour? If this doesn't go through, a strike can happen in 6 yrs.
17 years in way too long.
Great deal for AG.

[Irony]

We doubled down against Calin in 2010...........Sky and GGN were born, YYZ decimated and no right to BID on work for YEARS.

Now we would have a MINIMUM 90% chance at a mainline job...Loyalty from mainline (investment and board member)...chance at US Cpa...pay guarantee...united pay table...pensions....security.... the possibility to unite the express brand under one company again.


Vote no and GGN grows, still stuck with that EYESORE A scale B scale, smaller fleet, fractured group... AC gives us final offer to play in 2023 for less than a quarter of what is in front of us. I would bet on that.

Calin would make a mess...I VOTE YES!!!