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Re: Bid 2019

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Babar350 wrote: Sat Feb 09, 2019 11:48 am So we can basically estimate around 10 OTS per month for a year in each GS...
Depending on when the CRJs will be transferred ? Or GS will independently be filled by GGN pilots first and remaining spots by OTS?
Jazz will be losing an average of 20+ per month to AC. GGN pilots that move to Jazz are included in that number. For March-December you are probably looking at 10-20 OTS hired at Jazz per month. Some months a little higher. Some months a little lower.
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Re: Bid 2019

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rudder wrote: Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:09 am
HansDietrich wrote: Sat Feb 09, 2019 8:54 am
I bet this is going to make a lot of people really happy. :roll: So they'll have the Q go into Castlegar, Cranbrook, Nanaimo and all the old DH8 routes? Is there even a demand for it? What are all those -300 going to do out East? Take over some of the Q routes? It looks to me that YYZ base is getting a handout with one hand and a slap with the other.
Classic D8’s in the east doing all of the old Air Alliance and Air Ontario routes from YUL/YYZ just like the 1980’s/1990’s.

YYZ Q400’s being replaced by Rouge 319’s per ACPA RRA language. YQT/YQM/YFC/YSJ.

West is (basically) CRJ900/Q400 only.
I bet they are repositioning the Classic fleet in part to take over East Coast flying when EVAS looses their CPA.
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Re: Bid 2019

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As a new hire, what are the chances of getting assigned yyc base? Will there be a lot of ggn pilots bidding for yyc?
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Re: Bid 2019

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You will either get yyc or very soon after you start. Dont worry about the base. You can always change that.
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Re: Bid 2019

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Malfunction wrote: Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:40 pm You will either get yyc or very soon after you start. Dont worry about the base. You can always change that.
If you do not hold a YYC Position in the new-hire Bid, make sure to select an Equipment type that is operated on the YYC Base. You can then change your standing bid to show current Equipment but different Base. YYC is showing all Equipment types but D8 roster is very small.
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Re: Bid 2019

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rudder wrote: Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:45 pm
Malfunction wrote: Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:40 pm You will either get yyc or very soon after you start. Dont worry about the base. You can always change that.
If you do not hold a YYC Position in the new-hire Bid, make sure to select an Equipment type that is operated on the YYC Base. You can then change your standing bid to show current Equipment but different Base. YYC is showing all Equipment types but D8 roster is very small.
That makes sense. Will I be able to bid for a different base whenever the company have opening or will I have to wait certain period before getting transferred?
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Re: Bid 2019

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rudder wrote: Sat Feb 09, 2019 12:55 pm
Babar350 wrote: Sat Feb 09, 2019 11:48 am So we can basically estimate around 10 OTS per month for a year in each GS...
Depending on when the CRJs will be transferred ? Or GS will independently be filled by GGN pilots first and remaining spots by OTS?
Jazz will be losing an average of 20+ per month to AC. GGN pilots that move to Jazz are included in that number. For March-December you are probably looking at 10-20 OTS hired at Jazz per month. Some months a little higher. Some months a little lower.
So that means 30-candidates GS per month including GGN pilots? Seems a big number!
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Re: Bid 2019

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Babar350 wrote: Sat Feb 09, 2019 2:17 pm
So that means 30-candidates GS per month including GGN pilots? Seems a big number!
Jazz hired and trained 450 pilots in 2017. 30 per month is well within Jazz capabilities.
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Re: Bid 2019

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flycomercial wrote: Sat Feb 09, 2019 2:09 pm
rudder wrote: Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:45 pm
Malfunction wrote: Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:40 pm You will either get yyc or very soon after you start. Dont worry about the base. You can always change that.
If you do not hold a YYC Position in the new-hire Bid, make sure to select an Equipment type that is operated on the YYC Base. You can then change your standing bid to show current Equipment but different Base. YYC is showing all Equipment types but D8 roster is very small.
That makes sense. Will I be able to bid for a different base whenever the company have opening or will I have to wait certain period before getting transferred?
You can bid for a different base at any time and you'll get it when there's a position open. It has to be the same plane though, you're frozen on type for 4 years unless you upgrade onto something else
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Re: Bid 2019

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Will the 4 year FO type freeze be lifted for this new bid for current FOs?
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bearitus wrote: Sat Feb 09, 2019 5:03 pm Will the 4 year FO type freeze be lifted for this new bid for current FOs?
That question is on many FOs lips :)

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Re: Bid 2019

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goleafsgo wrote: Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:32 pm
flycomercial wrote: Sat Feb 09, 2019 2:09 pm
rudder wrote: Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:45 pm

If you do not hold a YYC Position in the new-hire Bid, make sure to select an Equipment type that is operated on the YYC Base. You can then change your standing bid to show current Equipment but different Base. YYC is showing all Equipment types but D8 roster is very small.
That makes sense. Will I be able to bid for a different base whenever the company have opening or will I have to wait certain period before getting transferred?
You can bid for a different base at any time and you'll get it when there's a position open. It has to be the same plane though, you're frozen on type for 4 years unless you upgrade onto something else
Thank you so much. That helps a lot.
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Re: Bid 2019

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Re: Bid 2019

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ssssssbob wrote: Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:48 pm The MOS Q&A pdf stated that "Pilots in that base at the time of reduction have first choice on base vacancies"

If im interpreting this correctly, if I am reduced out of YYZ Q400, I will get first pick on the RJ over the GGN guys?
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Re: Bid 2019

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I think maybe questions like this are better asked of your ALPA reps, rather than strangers on a forum...especially if you really want accurate answers.
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Re: Bid 2019

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Looks like 196 GGN pilots signed up for Jazz.
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Re: Bid 2019

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KenoraPilot wrote: Sat Feb 09, 2019 8:30 am
SouthSideYVR wrote: Sat Feb 09, 2019 12:05 am How many pilots coming from Georgian?
Maximum on their roster eligible to join Jazz is 226. Of that how many go to AC directly, or choose not to join Jazz and stay at GGN or go elsewhere.....who knows. I'm gonna guess that about 200GGN pilots come to Jazz (roughly).

300+ more pilots, but massive reductions over time.....DH8 YVR base closure. Q400 YYZ reduced a lot. DH8 YYC reduced a lot.
Q YVR base doubles in size, DH8 in YYZ grows, and opening of CRJ YYZ base.

Going to be an interesting 2019/20
Pretty much spot on the numbers
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Re: Bid 2019

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rudder wrote: Mon Feb 18, 2019 5:34 pm Looks like 196 GGN pilots signed up for Jazz.
how many pilots is jazz projected to hire this year?
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Re: Bid 2019

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link821 wrote: Mon Feb 18, 2019 7:50 pm
how many pilots is jazz projected to hire this year?
Bid results will show remaining vacancies for 2019 including January 2020.

Approximately 200 will leave for AC. 200 added from GGN. Lots of inefficiencies due to pilots in initial type training. OTS probably 15-20 per month April-December.
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Re: Bid 2019

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ssssssbob wrote: Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:48 pm The MOS Q&A pdf stated that "Pilots in that base at the time of reduction have first choice on base vacancies"

If im interpreting this correctly, if I am reduced out of YYZ Q400, I will get first pick on the RJ over the GGN guys?
That is more or less correct. Read section 5-5 of the contract. Basically for each position reduced in YYZ off the Q, an equal number of open positions on the CRJ and/or Dash classic are considered base vacancies and those pilots based in YYZ will get first choice to bid on those positions before a pilot from another base. Since Georgian pilots technically don’t have a base on the Jazz roster , they have to bid a system vacancy and won’t necessarily get a YYZ RJ position.
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