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Forced to leave Canada

Post by dereceer » Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:26 pm

Hi all,
I'm in an unfortunate position as I'll have to leave Canada to wait for my Permanent Residence (6-8 months). I currently have 700tt, 270 on floats & over 100 turbine in the DHC8. Looks like I'll have to pay out my DHC8 PPC bond and look elsewhere abroad for work until I can legally work in Canada.
I'm a UK citizen, but don't like the idea of having to do flight training again to convert my licences to EASA.
Can anyone advise me on places where I wouldn't have to convert (or the conversion process would be easy), and would hire someone with my time?
I'm open to any sort of flying, bush or airline.
Thanks,
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Re: Forced to leave Canada

Post by tps8903 » Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:54 am

dereceer wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:26 pm
Hi all,
I'm in an unfortunate position as I'll have to leave Canada to wait for my Permanent Residence (6-8 months). I currently have 700tt, 270 on floats & over 100 turbine in the DHC8. Looks like I'll have to pay out my DHC8 PPC bond and look elsewhere abroad for work until I can legally work in Canada.
I'm a UK citizen, but don't like the idea of having to do flight training again to convert my licences to EASA.
Can anyone advise me on places where I wouldn't have to convert (or the conversion process would be easy), and would hire someone with my time?
I'm open to any sort of flying, bush or airline.
Thanks,
Check pilot career center Jobs in Africa. A lot of jobs abroad you can obtain with any ICAO licence, especially in the developing world. There are -8 operations there that you could slide in to with your current PPC.
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Re: Forced to leave Canada

Post by digits_ » Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:15 am

On what work permit are you in Canada now? If it is anything other than IEC or WHP you probably have implied status and you can wait until you hear back from your PR application.
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Re: Forced to leave Canada

Post by dereceer » Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:47 pm

digits_ wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:15 am
On what work permit are you in Canada now? If it is anything other than IEC or WHP you probably have implied status and you can wait until you hear back from your PR application.
I am on a Post Graduate Work Permit, which expires in July. I applied for International Experience Canada, however, the application was not successful.
My plan was to apply for the Provincial Nominee Program, but I need 6 months of continuous full time employment and I'll only have that close to when my PGWP expires and the implied status will not be valid as it's for Permanent Residency (having PR application in progress does not allow me to stay in Canada without valid status).
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Re: Forced to leave Canada

Post by dereceer » Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:49 pm

tps8903 wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:54 am
Check pilot career center Jobs in Africa. A lot of jobs abroad you can obtain with any ICAO licence, especially in the developing world. There are -8 operations there that you could slide in to with your current PPC.
Thanks, I'll check it out.
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Re: Forced to leave Canada

Post by Panama Jack » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:56 am

Trans Maldivian is apparently looking:

http://www.transmaldivian.com/careers/
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Re: Forced to leave Canada

Post by ehv8oar » Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:48 pm

(having PR application in progress does not allow me to stay in Canada without valid status).
Are you totally sure about that, in some circumstances it does. If you're from the UK you could stay in Canada on a normal visitor visa (visa waiver) and the PR being in progress might allow you to carry on working until the decision is made.
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Re: Forced to leave Canada

Post by BE02 Driver » Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:38 pm

Roadrunnersmother wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:18 pm
dereceer wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:26 pm
Hi all,
I'm in an unfortunate position as I'll have to leave Canada to wait for my Permanent Residence (6-8 months). I currently have 700tt, 270 on floats & over 100 turbine in the DHC8. Looks like I'll have to pay out my DHC8 PPC bond and look elsewhere abroad for work until I can legally work in Canada.
I'm a UK citizen, but don't like the idea of having to do flight training again to convert my licences to EASA.
Can anyone advise me on places where I wouldn't have to convert (or the conversion process would be easy), and would hire someone with my time?
I'm open to any sort of flying, bush or airline.
Thanks,
Great, wish more of you people would get kicked out so Canadian citizens can get the jobs you non Canadians take from us. I'm stuck on king air due to people like you.
No, you are stuck on a King Air because you have a piss poor attitude.
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Re: Forced to leave Canada

Post by dereceer » Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:42 pm

ehv8oar wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:48 pm
(having PR application in progress does not allow me to stay in Canada without valid status).
Are you totally sure about that, in some circumstances it does. If you're from the UK you could stay in Canada on a normal visitor visa (visa waiver) and the PR being in progress might allow you to carry on working until the decision is made.
From the information I can find, I would need a work permit while I wait for PR. Applying for a visitor visa would allow me to stay, but I wouldn't be able to work even if I'm waiting for PR according to the CIC website.
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Re: Forced to leave Canada

Post by photofly » Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:06 pm

If you apply for PR from inside Canada you can have a work permit while you wait; but the wait time is longer than applying from outside.
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Re: Forced to leave Canada

Post by ant_321 » Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:07 pm

Roadrunnersmother wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:18 pm
dereceer wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:26 pm
Hi all,
I'm in an unfortunate position as I'll have to leave Canada to wait for my Permanent Residence (6-8 months). I currently have 700tt, 270 on floats & over 100 turbine in the DHC8. Looks like I'll have to pay out my DHC8 PPC bond and look elsewhere abroad for work until I can legally work in Canada.
I'm a UK citizen, but don't like the idea of having to do flight training again to convert my licences to EASA.
Can anyone advise me on places where I wouldn't have to convert (or the conversion process would be easy), and would hire someone with my time?
I'm open to any sort of flying, bush or airline.
Thanks,
Great, wish more of you people would get kicked out so Canadian citizens can get the jobs you non Canadians take from us. I'm stuck on king air due to people like you.
Welcome back. We’ve all missed you’re trolling.
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Re: Forced to leave Canada

Post by ehv8oar » Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:18 pm

Great, wish more of you people would get kicked out so Canadian citizens can get the jobs you non Canadians take from us. I'm stuck on king air due to people like you
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Ok so should I tell the Canadians I know who are working in the UK that they should be kicked out and go back to Canada? That'll make sure you stay on your kingair even longer.
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Re: Forced to leave Canada

Post by ehv8oar » Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:22 pm

Not sure if you've looked into this but there's something called an Open work permit you can get to allow you to continue working in Canada while waiting for your PR.

What I meant about the visa waiver is that because you're from the UK you dont need a visitor visa so you wouldnt be here illegally, I'm pretty sure you can stay in Canada (for I believe upto 6 months a year) under the visa waiver. Then apply for the open work permit (this does mean you have to work for just one employer while on the permit) and use that until you get PR.
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Re: Forced to leave Canada

Post by digits_ » Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:06 pm

photofly wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:06 pm
If you apply for PR from inside Canada you can have a work permit while you wait; but the wait time is longer than applying from outside.
It looks like he doesn't meet the requirements for his PR application yet. You have to meet the requirements at time of application, not at decision time as far as I know.


Why was your IEC denied? Have you contacted an immigration specialist? There should be a solution for people like you.
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Re: Forced to leave Canada

Post by digits_ » Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:09 pm

ehv8oar wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:22 pm
Not sure if you've looked into this but there's something called an Open work permit you can get to allow you to continue working in Canada while waiting for your PR.

What I meant about the visa waiver is that because you're from the UK you dont need a visitor visa so you wouldnt be here illegally, I'm pretty sure you can stay in Canada (for I believe upto 6 months a year) under the visa waiver. Then apply for the open work permit (this does mean you have to work for just one employer while on the permit) and use that until you get PR.
You have a bridging open work permit that you can apply for once you pass the provincial phase of your PNP PR application. The OP doesn't meet the PNP requirements, so that won't work.

Note that you can not work just under the visa waiver program.
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Re: Forced to leave Canada

Post by ehv8oar » Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:15 pm

Oh I know you cant work under the visa waiver program, I just meant he could stay in Canada on it while applying for the open work permit.

From CIC:

Who can apply for an open work permit?
You may be eligible for an open work permit if you:

are an international student who graduated from a designated learning institution and are eligible for the Post-Graduation Work Permit Program
are a student who’s no longer able to meet the costs of your studies (destitute student)
applied for permanent residence in Canada
are a dependent family member of someone who applied for permanent residence
are the spouse or common-law partner of a skilled worker or international student
are the spouse or common-law partner of an applicant of the Atlantic Immigration Pilot Program
are a refugee, refugee claimant, protected person or their family member
are under an unenforceable removal order
are a temporary resident permit holder
are a young worker participating in special programs

However apparently under the open work permit you're not allowed to work in the field of erotic stripteaser, so if that was the plan to add to the Pilot income, that's something to consider ;)
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Re: Forced to leave Canada

Post by dereceer » Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:54 pm

ehv8oar wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:22 pm
Not sure if you've looked into this but there's something called an Open work permit you can get to allow you to continue working in Canada while waiting for your PR.

What I meant about the visa waiver is that because you're from the UK you dont need a visitor visa so you wouldnt be here illegally, I'm pretty sure you can stay in Canada (for I believe upto 6 months a year) under the visa waiver. Then apply for the open work permit (this does mean you have to work for just one employer while on the permit) and use that until you get PR.
Yes, I've looked into it. I have applied for Provincial Nominee Program yesterday, and I may be able to apply for an open work permit provided I'm nominated by the province before I lose my status in Canada.

I didn't know that, thank you. I have submitted an Expression of Interest for the Provincial Nominee Program, and I'm not sure when/if I'll be selected in time to start the application for PR.
Wow, never thought of that and neither did the immigration lawyers & advisers. They were trying real hard to sell me on 8 - 10k for an "almost guarantee" of getting PR.
Thanks again, you've probably changed my life!
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Re: Forced to leave Canada

Post by dereceer » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:04 pm

digits_ wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:06 pm
photofly wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:06 pm
If you apply for PR from inside Canada you can have a work permit while you wait; but the wait time is longer than applying from outside.
It looks like he doesn't meet the requirements for his PR application yet. You have to meet the requirements at time of application, not at decision time as far as I know.


Why was your IEC denied? Have you contacted an immigration specialist? There should be a solution for people like you.
I was selected, and paid the $400 in fees. They asked for a Biometrics receipt a few weeks later, which I provided and submitted on time. They claimed I never submitted, even though it showed on their website. I've tried appealing, but I'm told "Decision is final" and basically better luck next year.

I've spoken with immigration lawyers and advisers, and they never told me that International Experience Canada was an option so I don't think they'd be able to help with the website error.
From CIC: "Under Canada's Immigration and Refugee Protection Act, there is no formal right of appeal on temporary resident decisions."
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Re: Forced to leave Canada

Post by dereceer » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:15 pm

digits_ wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:09 pm
ehv8oar wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:22 pm
Not sure if you've looked into this but there's something called an Open work permit you can get to allow you to continue working in Canada while waiting for your PR.

What I meant about the visa waiver is that because you're from the UK you dont need a visitor visa so you wouldnt be here illegally, I'm pretty sure you can stay in Canada (for I believe upto 6 months a year) under the visa waiver. Then apply for the open work permit (this does mean you have to work for just one employer while on the permit) and use that until you get PR.
You have a bridging open work permit that you can apply for once you pass the provincial phase of your PNP PR application. The OP doesn't meet the PNP requirements, so that won't work.

Note that you can not work just under the visa waiver program.
My problem with the PNP is the work experience. I had a seasonal float job and had 5 months employment with them, then found a new job but by the time I get 6 months employment in my new job, my work permit will almost be expired.
They want "six months (continuous)" employment, so the 5 months in my old job won't carry over.
I applied for PNP, so I'm hoping this isn't a strict rule.
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Re: Forced to leave Canada

Post by digits_ » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:31 pm

dereceer wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:15 pm
My problem with the PNP is the work experience. I had a seasonal float job and had 5 months employment with them, then found a new job but by the time I get 6 months employment in my new job, my work permit will almost be expired.
They want "six months (continuous)" employment, so the 5 months in my old job won't carry over.
I applied for PNP, so I'm hoping this isn't a strict rule.
You do what you want of course, but if I were you I would hold off on applying for the PNP until you meet all requirements. Immigration is a very rigid branch of government. I highly doubt they will approve 5 months if they ask for 6. Don't send an incomplete PNP application. You'll just be wasting your time and money. It's also something that is not really open for interpretation: 5 months or 6, it's pretty black and white.

Look into it in more detail yourself, but I *think* your best bet is to work on your current work permit until you have the required 6 months work experience, which you will have to document with letters from your employer etc. At that point you can apply for PNP PR. In this scenario you should be on an implied status once your PGWP expires, provided you fullfil all requirements of the PNP before the PGWP expires. You won't even need a new work permit.

All this is based on info that is 5 years old. A lot will have changed, but the core mechanics are still the same as far as I know.
Don't blindly trust your lawyers/experts, all you need to know should be in CIC. A lot of very useful info can be found on this forum: https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immig ... ion-board/
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Re: Forced to leave Canada

Post by ehv8oar » Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:39 pm

No probs, if I can help in anyway just send me a pm if you want.

Both myself and digits moved over here about 5 years ago from Europe so our info is abit out of date but the open work permit would seem to be your best bet while waiting for the PR. My understanding of it is if you can find an employer who wants to hire you, preferably before your PGWP expires in July, then contact cic and stay with that employer until you get your PR (either through the Federal or PNP system), that should work for you.

Alot of those immigration lawyers charge a fortune for stuff you can do yourself. Maybe (if you've not done it already) try calling cic, it takes awhile to get through on the phone but when you do they're usually pretty helpful.
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Re: Forced to leave Canada

Post by Full Deflection » Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:51 pm

Have you contacted your MP where you are? When I lived near YUL our MP's secretary was ever so helpful to us and even contacted CIC directly on our behalf. At one stage we spent 6 months living off savings on a visitors visa. It took me a long time to get P.R. and as a fellow Brit I don't think we should be in this situation. Nor should the Canadians who want to live in Britain. Come Brexit we should be free again to reconnect with our overseas families whose societies are built on the values and freedoms exported by our fathers to the four corners of the world: www.canzukinternational.com

My unprayed advice is to remain in Canada and resist the temptation to leave. With the current hiring wave there must be a prospective employer somewhere who is prepared to sponsor you. Any Canadian lass you fancy marrying?
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Re: Forced to leave Canada

Post by willpilot4 » Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:59 pm

dereceer wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:15 pm
digits_ wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:09 pm
ehv8oar wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:22 pm
Not sure if you've looked into this but there's something called an Open work permit you can get to allow you to continue working in Canada while waiting for your PR.

What I meant about the visa waiver is that because you're from the UK you dont need a visitor visa so you wouldnt be here illegally, I'm pretty sure you can stay in Canada (for I believe upto 6 months a year) under the visa waiver. Then apply for the open work permit (this does mean you have to work for just one employer while on the permit) and use that until you get PR.
You have a bridging open work permit that you can apply for once you pass the provincial phase of your PNP PR application. The OP doesn't meet the PNP requirements, so that won't work.

Note that you can not work just under the visa waiver program.
My problem with the PNP is the work experience. I had a seasonal float job and had 5 months employment with them, then found a new job but by the time I get 6 months employment in my new job, my work permit will almost be expired.
They want "six months (continuous)" employment, so the 5 months in my old job won't carry over.
I applied for PNP, so I'm hoping this isn't a strict rule.
Hey,

I am going pretty much through the same as you...

My first advice is that no matter what, work until the very last day of your work permit. And then make sure to leave before the expiration day. You will need that work experience for your PNP application but be careful and make sure that you leave the country on time. This is your worst-case scenario, but I wanted to point it out first.

In your case, you have enough time to find a company interested in hiring you (or the one that you are currently at) and to ask them to apply for an LMIA. Even if it is not granted by the time your PGWP expires, the confirmation that it was requested plus a submission on your behalf for a new work permit, will allow you to stay on implied status.

Then as you already know, will be able to stay in Canada as a worker until you receive the positive LMIA. By the time you receive the LMIA, you have to get all your docs and cross the border. If you have everything, the CBPA officer will issue your new work permit, just like when you got your student visa.

In addition to that, the LMIA will add 50 points to your Express Entry.

If you want, PM me and we can chat.

Best,

G.
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Re: Forced to leave Canada

Post by willpilot4 » Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:02 pm

Hi all,

I would like to tell you all about my situation, which is pretty similar...

My IEC expires in 2 weeks and my current company made a mistake in the LMIA application, so it was refused. Now I don't have enough time to submit a new LMIA application before the expiry date of my WP. Which means that I won't be able to get implied status.

Already met a few lawyers, I am also working with my local MP and countless hours behind the screen of this computer reading CIC website.

If someone can help, I will be forever grateful.

Thanks,

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Re: Forced to leave Canada

Post by Full Deflection » Sun Mar 17, 2019 7:36 pm

Sorry to hear that mate. I would really work on your MP who is a cheaper option than solicitors. I never used any solicitors. How about just getting a Visitor's Visa for now? Any kind of status will count in the future when your P.R. is renewed or citizenship applied for.., I believe that's a new thing. Beg your MP to intervene.
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