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Hi all,
I'm in an unfortunate position as I'll have to leave Canada to wait for my Permanent Residence (6-8 months). I currently have 700tt, 270 on floats & over 100 turbine in the DHC8. Looks like I'll have to pay out my DHC8 PPC bond and look elsewhere abroad for work until I can legally work in Canada.
I'm a UK citizen, but don't like the idea of having to do flight training again to convert my licences to EASA.
Can anyone advise me on places where I wouldn't have to convert (or the conversion process would be easy), and would hire someone with my time?
I'm open to any sort of flying, bush or airline.
Thanks,
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dereceer wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:26 pm Hi all,
I'm in an unfortunate position as I'll have to leave Canada to wait for my Permanent Residence (6-8 months). I currently have 700tt, 270 on floats & over 100 turbine in the DHC8. Looks like I'll have to pay out my DHC8 PPC bond and look elsewhere abroad for work until I can legally work in Canada.
I'm a UK citizen, but don't like the idea of having to do flight training again to convert my licences to EASA.
Can anyone advise me on places where I wouldn't have to convert (or the conversion process would be easy), and would hire someone with my time?
I'm open to any sort of flying, bush or airline.
Thanks,
Check pilot career center Jobs in Africa. A lot of jobs abroad you can obtain with any ICAO licence, especially in the developing world. There are -8 operations there that you could slide in to with your current PPC.
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On what work permit are you in Canada now? If it is anything other than IEC or WHP you probably have implied status and you can wait until you hear back from your PR application.
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digits_ wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:15 am On what work permit are you in Canada now? If it is anything other than IEC or WHP you probably have implied status and you can wait until you hear back from your PR application.
I am on a Post Graduate Work Permit, which expires in July. I applied for International Experience Canada, however, the application was not successful.
My plan was to apply for the Provincial Nominee Program, but I need 6 months of continuous full time employment and I'll only have that close to when my PGWP expires and the implied status will not be valid as it's for Permanent Residency (having PR application in progress does not allow me to stay in Canada without valid status).
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tps8903 wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:54 am Check pilot career center Jobs in Africa. A lot of jobs abroad you can obtain with any ICAO licence, especially in the developing world. There are -8 operations there that you could slide in to with your current PPC.
Thanks, I'll check it out.
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Trans Maldivian is apparently looking:

http://www.transmaldivian.com/careers/
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(having PR application in progress does not allow me to stay in Canada without valid status).
Are you totally sure about that, in some circumstances it does. If you're from the UK you could stay in Canada on a normal visitor visa (visa waiver) and the PR being in progress might allow you to carry on working until the decision is made.
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Roadrunnersmother wrote: Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:18 pm
dereceer wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:26 pm Hi all,
I'm in an unfortunate position as I'll have to leave Canada to wait for my Permanent Residence (6-8 months). I currently have 700tt, 270 on floats & over 100 turbine in the DHC8. Looks like I'll have to pay out my DHC8 PPC bond and look elsewhere abroad for work until I can legally work in Canada.
I'm a UK citizen, but don't like the idea of having to do flight training again to convert my licences to EASA.
Can anyone advise me on places where I wouldn't have to convert (or the conversion process would be easy), and would hire someone with my time?
I'm open to any sort of flying, bush or airline.
Thanks,
Great, wish more of you people would get kicked out so Canadian citizens can get the jobs you non Canadians take from us. I'm stuck on king air due to people like you.
No, you are stuck on a King Air because you have a piss poor attitude.
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ehv8oar wrote: Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:48 pm
(having PR application in progress does not allow me to stay in Canada without valid status).
Are you totally sure about that, in some circumstances it does. If you're from the UK you could stay in Canada on a normal visitor visa (visa waiver) and the PR being in progress might allow you to carry on working until the decision is made.
From the information I can find, I would need a work permit while I wait for PR. Applying for a visitor visa would allow me to stay, but I wouldn't be able to work even if I'm waiting for PR according to the CIC website.
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If you apply for PR from inside Canada you can have a work permit while you wait; but the wait time is longer than applying from outside.
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Roadrunnersmother wrote: Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:18 pm
dereceer wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:26 pm Hi all,
I'm in an unfortunate position as I'll have to leave Canada to wait for my Permanent Residence (6-8 months). I currently have 700tt, 270 on floats & over 100 turbine in the DHC8. Looks like I'll have to pay out my DHC8 PPC bond and look elsewhere abroad for work until I can legally work in Canada.
I'm a UK citizen, but don't like the idea of having to do flight training again to convert my licences to EASA.
Can anyone advise me on places where I wouldn't have to convert (or the conversion process would be easy), and would hire someone with my time?
I'm open to any sort of flying, bush or airline.
Thanks,
Great, wish more of you people would get kicked out so Canadian citizens can get the jobs you non Canadians take from us. I'm stuck on king air due to people like you.
Welcome back. We’ve all missed you’re trolling.
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Great, wish more of you people would get kicked out so Canadian citizens can get the jobs you non Canadians take from us. I'm stuck on king air due to people like you
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Ok so should I tell the Canadians I know who are working in the UK that they should be kicked out and go back to Canada? That'll make sure you stay on your kingair even longer.
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Not sure if you've looked into this but there's something called an Open work permit you can get to allow you to continue working in Canada while waiting for your PR.

What I meant about the visa waiver is that because you're from the UK you dont need a visitor visa so you wouldnt be here illegally, I'm pretty sure you can stay in Canada (for I believe upto 6 months a year) under the visa waiver. Then apply for the open work permit (this does mean you have to work for just one employer while on the permit) and use that until you get PR.
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photofly wrote: Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:06 pm If you apply for PR from inside Canada you can have a work permit while you wait; but the wait time is longer than applying from outside.
It looks like he doesn't meet the requirements for his PR application yet. You have to meet the requirements at time of application, not at decision time as far as I know.


Why was your IEC denied? Have you contacted an immigration specialist? There should be a solution for people like you.
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ehv8oar wrote: Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:22 pm Not sure if you've looked into this but there's something called an Open work permit you can get to allow you to continue working in Canada while waiting for your PR.

What I meant about the visa waiver is that because you're from the UK you dont need a visitor visa so you wouldnt be here illegally, I'm pretty sure you can stay in Canada (for I believe upto 6 months a year) under the visa waiver. Then apply for the open work permit (this does mean you have to work for just one employer while on the permit) and use that until you get PR.
You have a bridging open work permit that you can apply for once you pass the provincial phase of your PNP PR application. The OP doesn't meet the PNP requirements, so that won't work.

Note that you can not work just under the visa waiver program.
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Oh I know you cant work under the visa waiver program, I just meant he could stay in Canada on it while applying for the open work permit.

From CIC:

Who can apply for an open work permit?
You may be eligible for an open work permit if you:

are an international student who graduated from a designated learning institution and are eligible for the Post-Graduation Work Permit Program
are a student who’s no longer able to meet the costs of your studies (destitute student)
applied for permanent residence in Canada
are a dependent family member of someone who applied for permanent residence
are the spouse or common-law partner of a skilled worker or international student
are the spouse or common-law partner of an applicant of the Atlantic Immigration Pilot Program
are a refugee, refugee claimant, protected person or their family member
are under an unenforceable removal order
are a temporary resident permit holder
are a young worker participating in special programs

However apparently under the open work permit you're not allowed to work in the field of erotic stripteaser, so if that was the plan to add to the Pilot income, that's something to consider ;)
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ehv8oar wrote: Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:22 pm Not sure if you've looked into this but there's something called an Open work permit you can get to allow you to continue working in Canada while waiting for your PR.

What I meant about the visa waiver is that because you're from the UK you dont need a visitor visa so you wouldnt be here illegally, I'm pretty sure you can stay in Canada (for I believe upto 6 months a year) under the visa waiver. Then apply for the open work permit (this does mean you have to work for just one employer while on the permit) and use that until you get PR.
Yes, I've looked into it. I have applied for Provincial Nominee Program yesterday, and I may be able to apply for an open work permit provided I'm nominated by the province before I lose my status in Canada.

I didn't know that, thank you. I have submitted an Expression of Interest for the Provincial Nominee Program, and I'm not sure when/if I'll be selected in time to start the application for PR.
Wow, never thought of that and neither did the immigration lawyers & advisers. They were trying real hard to sell me on 8 - 10k for an "almost guarantee" of getting PR.
Thanks again, you've probably changed my life!
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digits_ wrote: Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:06 pm
photofly wrote: Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:06 pm If you apply for PR from inside Canada you can have a work permit while you wait; but the wait time is longer than applying from outside.
It looks like he doesn't meet the requirements for his PR application yet. You have to meet the requirements at time of application, not at decision time as far as I know.


Why was your IEC denied? Have you contacted an immigration specialist? There should be a solution for people like you.
I was selected, and paid the $400 in fees. They asked for a Biometrics receipt a few weeks later, which I provided and submitted on time. They claimed I never submitted, even though it showed on their website. I've tried appealing, but I'm told "Decision is final" and basically better luck next year.

I've spoken with immigration lawyers and advisers, and they never told me that International Experience Canada was an option so I don't think they'd be able to help with the website error.
From CIC: "Under Canada's Immigration and Refugee Protection Act, there is no formal right of appeal on temporary resident decisions."
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digits_ wrote: Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:09 pm
ehv8oar wrote: Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:22 pm Not sure if you've looked into this but there's something called an Open work permit you can get to allow you to continue working in Canada while waiting for your PR.

What I meant about the visa waiver is that because you're from the UK you dont need a visitor visa so you wouldnt be here illegally, I'm pretty sure you can stay in Canada (for I believe upto 6 months a year) under the visa waiver. Then apply for the open work permit (this does mean you have to work for just one employer while on the permit) and use that until you get PR.
You have a bridging open work permit that you can apply for once you pass the provincial phase of your PNP PR application. The OP doesn't meet the PNP requirements, so that won't work.

Note that you can not work just under the visa waiver program.
My problem with the PNP is the work experience. I had a seasonal float job and had 5 months employment with them, then found a new job but by the time I get 6 months employment in my new job, my work permit will almost be expired.
They want "six months (continuous)" employment, so the 5 months in my old job won't carry over.
I applied for PNP, so I'm hoping this isn't a strict rule.
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dereceer wrote: Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:15 pm My problem with the PNP is the work experience. I had a seasonal float job and had 5 months employment with them, then found a new job but by the time I get 6 months employment in my new job, my work permit will almost be expired.
They want "six months (continuous)" employment, so the 5 months in my old job won't carry over.
I applied for PNP, so I'm hoping this isn't a strict rule.
You do what you want of course, but if I were you I would hold off on applying for the PNP until you meet all requirements. Immigration is a very rigid branch of government. I highly doubt they will approve 5 months if they ask for 6. Don't send an incomplete PNP application. You'll just be wasting your time and money. It's also something that is not really open for interpretation: 5 months or 6, it's pretty black and white.

Look into it in more detail yourself, but I *think* your best bet is to work on your current work permit until you have the required 6 months work experience, which you will have to document with letters from your employer etc. At that point you can apply for PNP PR. In this scenario you should be on an implied status once your PGWP expires, provided you fullfil all requirements of the PNP before the PGWP expires. You won't even need a new work permit.

All this is based on info that is 5 years old. A lot will have changed, but the core mechanics are still the same as far as I know.
Don't blindly trust your lawyers/experts, all you need to know should be in CIC. A lot of very useful info can be found on this forum: https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immig ... ion-board/
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