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TSAM wrote: Tue Mar 19, 2019 12:33 pm
tsgas wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:42 pm
TFTMB heavy wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:24 pm

Good thing you're not running WS and sending 787s in the South of France to compete with TS 321LRs. Then again, I wish you were!
Good thing you don't have anything to do with business. What socialist's like you can't comprehend , is the concept of critical mass. WS has an amazing feed system which includes Encore, but that is way too complicated for you to fathom . In the mean time TS is still flying A 310's ,DOH :!:
Hey peaches, just re-apply in 6 mths, you'll nail that sim eval eventually. Best of luck!

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Re: Beginning of Transat wave?

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TSAM wrote: Tue Mar 19, 2019 12:33 pm
tsgas wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:42 pm
TFTMB heavy wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:24 pm

Good thing you're not running WS and sending 787s in the South of France to compete with TS 321LRs. Then again, I wish you were!
Good thing you don't have anything to do with business. What socialist's like you can't comprehend , is the concept of critical mass. WS has an amazing feed system which includes Encore, but that is way too complicated for you to fathom . In the mean time TS is still flying A 310's ,DOH :!:
Hey peaches, just re-apply in 6 mths, you'll nail that sim eval eventually. Best of luck!
Sorry poof boy , but you are way off track, try another stab in the dark. :lol:
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Re: Beginning of Transat wave?

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andy_mtl wrote: Tue Mar 19, 2019 12:40 pm
TSAM wrote: Tue Mar 19, 2019 12:33 pm
tsgas wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:42 pm

Good thing you don't have anything to do with business. What socialist's like you can't comprehend , is the concept of critical mass. WS has an amazing feed system which includes Encore, but that is way too complicated for you to fathom . In the mean time TS is still flying A 310's ,DOH :!:
Hey peaches, just re-apply in 6 mths, you'll nail that sim eval eventually. Best of luck!

#micdrop

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another attempt at comedy by an amateur stand up comedian. :roll:
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Re: Beginning of Transat wave?

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tsgas wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:42 pm
TFTMB heavy wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:24 pm
tsgas wrote: Sun Mar 17, 2019 7:21 pm

Loosing money during the boom times doesn't bold well when we hit the next recession. FYI you will be competing with a much stronger airline financially called Westjet. The new B 787's will be competing with the TS NEO 321 LR's.
Good thing you're not running WS and sending 787s in the South of France to compete with TS 321LRs. Then again, I wish you were!
Good thing you don't have anything to do with business. What socialist's like you can't comprehend , is the concept of critical mass. WS has an amazing feed system which includes Encore, but that is way too complicated for you to fathom . In the mean time TS is still flying A 310's ,DOH :!:
Socialists like me hey? Keep throwing "cool" words around and insulting people on forums if it makes you feel better. You're the one that said TS was at risk with WS 787 being deployed on their routes, not me. I never claimed to be a business wizz but I sure as shit know that we are not at risk on almost all of the 321LR routes when it comes to the 787. The 321LR will service smaller markets and supplement on busier routes to increase frequency.

TS has a history of keeping a mixed fleet with some new and some old iron and it has served them well. Might not be breaking any financial records but 30+ years as a tour operator with a small airline is nothing to be embarrassed about.
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Re: Beginning of Transat wave?

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TFTMB heavy wrote: Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:43 pm
tsgas wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:42 pm
TFTMB heavy wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:24 pm

Good thing you're not running WS and sending 787s in the South of France to compete with TS 321LRs. Then again, I wish you were!
Good thing you don't have anything to do with business. What socialist's like you can't comprehend , is the concept of critical mass. WS has an amazing feed system which includes Encore, but that is way too complicated for you to fathom . In the mean time TS is still flying A 310's ,DOH :!:
Socialists like me hey? Keep throwing "cool" words around and insulting people on forums if it makes you feel better. You're the one that said TS was at risk with WS 787 being deployed on their routes, not me. I never claimed to be a business wizz but I sure as shit know that we are not at risk on almost all of the 321LR routes when it comes to the 787. The 321LR will service smaller markets and supplement on busier routes to increase frequency.

TS has a history of keeping a mixed fleet with some new and some old iron and it has served them well. Might not be breaking any financial records but 30+ years as a tour operator with a small airline is nothing to be embarrassed about.
You started with the BS and the lecture about the financial health and cash flow nonsense. FYI all operating airlines have strong cash flows but eventually it's the continuing loses that leads to layoffs and downsizing.
You were bragging about how amazing TS was because the NEO 321 LR would save the day. I mentioned that , in business , nothing remains stagnant , so other carriers like WJ will be adding modern aircraft like the B 787 to compete in the market place. Keep in mind that the amount of pax in Canada is limited, and when one carrier picks up more business , than the remaining carriers will have less.
You made this an emotion discussion rather than sticking to facts. Your CEO has warned that the next quarter will mean continuing losses. That is not an attack on you, or your company. However ignoring the importance of companies achieving a profit , and dismissing it as irreverent , is not in line with the thinking of a capitalist.

I wish TS every success in their future prospects ,but at this stage of the game , I wouldn't be betting the family farm on purchasing too many of their shares.
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Tsgas, get a life, you left AT for AC and good for you, but you have to let it go man, there is an Air Canada section for you. We don't care about your financial analysis on AT.
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Re: Beginning of Transat wave?

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Ypilot wrote: Tue Mar 19, 2019 7:07 pm Tsgas, get a life, you left AT for AC and good for you, but you have to let it go man, there is an Air Canada section for you. We don't care about your financial analysis on AT.
speak for yourself, farmer. :wink:
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tsgas wrote: Tue Mar 19, 2019 7:09 pm
Ypilot wrote: Tue Mar 19, 2019 7:07 pm Tsgas, get a life, you left AT for AC and good for you, but you have to let it go man, there is an Air Canada section for you. We don't care about your financial analysis on AT.
speak for yourself, farmer. :wink:
Hmm... ok, I wasn't missing avcanada at all, I willl check it out again in a few years.
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AC is hiring Transat to supplement the routes that were affected by grounding the Mutt. I'd say that's pretty good faith between the companies.

I also don't think TS is going anywhere anytime soon! Too many assets.
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tsgas wrote: Tue Mar 19, 2019 4:17 pm
TFTMB heavy wrote: Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:43 pm
tsgas wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:42 pm

Good thing you don't have anything to do with business. What socialist's like you can't comprehend , is the concept of critical mass. WS has an amazing feed system which includes Encore, but that is way too complicated for you to fathom . In the mean time TS is still flying A 310's ,DOH :!:
Socialists like me hey? Keep throwing "cool" words around and insulting people on forums if it makes you feel better. You're the one that said TS was at risk with WS 787 being deployed on their routes, not me. I never claimed to be a business wizz but I sure as shit know that we are not at risk on almost all of the 321LR routes when it comes to the 787. The 321LR will service smaller markets and supplement on busier routes to increase frequency.

TS has a history of keeping a mixed fleet with some new and some old iron and it has served them well. Might not be breaking any financial records but 30+ years as a tour operator with a small airline is nothing to be embarrassed about.
You started with the BS and the lecture about the financial health and cash flow nonsense. FYI all operating airlines have strong cash flows but eventually it's the continuing loses that leads to layoffs and downsizing.
You were bragging about how amazing TS was because the NEO 321 LR would save the day. I mentioned that , in business , nothing remains stagnant , so other carriers like WJ will be adding modern aircraft like the B 787 to compete in the market place. Keep in mind that the amount of pax in Canada is limited, and when one carrier picks up more business , than the remaining carriers will have less.
You made this an emotion discussion rather than sticking to facts. Your CEO has warned that the next quarter will mean continuing losses. That is not an attack on you, or your company. However ignoring the importance of companies achieving a profit , and dismissing it as irreverent , is not in line with the thinking of a capitalist.

I wish TS every success in their future prospects ,but at this stage of the game , I wouldn't be betting the family farm on purchasing too many of their shares.
You have me confused with someone else. Regardless, like it was mentioned above we don't care about your opinion, thanks for the good wishes.
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TFTMB heavy wrote: Wed Mar 20, 2019 4:39 pm
tsgas wrote: Tue Mar 19, 2019 4:17 pm
TFTMB heavy wrote: Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:43 pm

Socialists like me hey? Keep throwing "cool" words around and insulting people on forums if it makes you feel better. You're the one that said TS was at risk with WS 787 being deployed on their routes, not me. I never claimed to be a business wizz but I sure as shit know that we are not at risk on almost all of the 321LR routes when it comes to the 787. The 321LR will service smaller markets and supplement on busier routes to increase frequency.

TS has a history of keeping a mixed fleet with some new and some old iron and it has served them well. Might not be breaking any financial records but 30+ years as a tour operator with a small airline is nothing to be embarrassed about.
You started with the BS and the lecture about the financial health and cash flow nonsense. FYI all operating airlines have strong cash flows but eventually it's the continuing loses that leads to layoffs and downsizing.
You were bragging about how amazing TS was because the NEO 321 LR would save the day. I mentioned that , in business , nothing remains stagnant , so other carriers like WJ will be adding modern aircraft like the B 787 to compete in the market place. Keep in mind that the amount of pax in Canada is limited, and when one carrier picks up more business , than the remaining carriers will have less.
You made this an emotion discussion rather than sticking to facts. Your CEO has warned that the next quarter will mean continuing losses. That is not an attack on you, or your company. However ignoring the importance of companies achieving a profit , and dismissing it as irreverent , is not in line with the thinking of a capitalist.

I wish TS every success in their future prospects ,but at this stage of the game , I wouldn't be betting the family farm on purchasing too many of their shares.
You have me confused with someone else. Regardless, like it was mentioned above we don't care about your opinion, thanks for the good wishes.

Your welcome. FYI I don't care about your unprofessional attitude.
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Many operators have come and gone yet Transat marches on......So I would be reluctant to underestimate their survival skills. I think they will be around for a while, and good for them.

Worked there decades ago but sadly it was in the bad old days of frequent layoffs, otherwise I would still be there. I liked it. Ended up going to the then darling airline that went poof after 9/11. So go figure....

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tsgas wrote: Wed Mar 20, 2019 6:06 pm
TFTMB heavy wrote: Wed Mar 20, 2019 4:39 pm
tsgas wrote: Tue Mar 19, 2019 4:17 pm

You started with the BS and the lecture about the financial health and cash flow nonsense. FYI all operating airlines have strong cash flows but eventually it's the continuing loses that leads to layoffs and downsizing.
You were bragging about how amazing TS was because the NEO 321 LR would save the day. I mentioned that , in business , nothing remains stagnant , so other carriers like WJ will be adding modern aircraft like the B 787 to compete in the market place. Keep in mind that the amount of pax in Canada is limited, and when one carrier picks up more business , than the remaining carriers will have less.
You made this an emotion discussion rather than sticking to facts. Your CEO has warned that the next quarter will mean continuing losses. That is not an attack on you, or your company. However ignoring the importance of companies achieving a profit , and dismissing it as irreverent , is not in line with the thinking of a capitalist.

I wish TS every success in their future prospects ,but at this stage of the game , I wouldn't be betting the family farm on purchasing too many of their shares.
You have me confused with someone else. Regardless, like it was mentioned above we don't care about your opinion, thanks for the good wishes.

Your welcome. FYI I don't care about your unprofessional attitude.
I didn’t think Air Transat relied on financial success to remain competitive given how it’s an uplift for transat group which is in fact financially successful ... if Air Transat, the airline is financially profitable it’s a bonus, but not a requirement.

Who knows... maybe it is the beginning of the end at transat ?
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Interesting ... didn’t they have some contingency fund worth billions allowing them to operate many years at loss?

The loss has been attributed to fleet expansion and increased fuel prices, the same reason related loss AC published in its last quarter ...

Just sounds like these airlines didn’t forecast for that in their ticket prices and that they have until the 4th quarter to make it up.
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The finance part of airlines and operators is not quite as simple as some think. One quarter does not reveal the financial health of a company.
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How healthy is transat’s financials in your perspective TFTMB?

Seems to me the company is investing in their 17 A321 (2 LR and 15 NEO)... that’s bound to come at an operating loss and its benefits not reaped until the planes are flying ?

Seems perfectly acceptable that during an investing period an airline is publishing operating losses.

Also didn’t part of their losses tribute to the purchase of land for their new resorts? Yet again another loss related topic in the present with its benefits and profits reaped for the years to come ...

Tsgas, you made mention to there only being so many customers in Canada ... Air Transat is based here in canada, but their customers are worldwide ... they don’t rely on Canadian demographic and they haven’t for years. Their presence in Europe allows for them to tap into international markets unlike sunwing who only flies Canadians and ends up in Europe on wet leases for TUI lift. The 330/310 and now 321LR makes transats business model very different than what the current 737-800 model is offering sunwing.

I’m genuinely curious, how profitable has sunwing been in the last few years comparatively? They haven’t been investing as much recently and have simply been reaping the benefits of their land investments years ago. It seems like That’s one metric where transats future can be measured.

What do you think TFTMB? Maybe I’m completely off the cbstts ...
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DropTanks wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2019 5:12 am
GATRKGA wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2019 4:02 am
tsgas wrote: Wed Mar 20, 2019 6:06 pm


Your welcome. FYI I don't care about your unprofessional attitude.
I didn’t think Air Transat relied on financial success to remain competitive given how it’s an uplift for transat group which is in fact financially successful ... if Air Transat, the airline is financially profitable it’s a bonus, but not a requirement.

Who knows... maybe it is the beginning of the end at transat ?
How do you define Transat Group as financially successful? The financial reports are there for all to see. Yet another money destroying quarter under the belt. You do realize that they are all reported together right? In fact the airline is simply a cost center for Group Transat so the money losing quarter belongs to the entire company not just the airline. Just about the last airline I’d hang my hat for my career.
Very well said.
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tsgas wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2019 6:49 am
DropTanks wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2019 5:12 am
GATRKGA wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2019 4:02 am

I didn’t think Air Transat relied on financial success to remain competitive given how it’s an uplift for transat group which is in fact financially successful ... if Air Transat, the airline is financially profitable it’s a bonus, but not a requirement.

Who knows... maybe it is the beginning of the end at transat ?
How do you define Transat Group as financially successful? The financial reports are there for all to see. Yet another money destroying quarter under the belt. You do realize that they are all reported together right? In fact the airline is simply a cost center for Group Transat so the money losing quarter belongs to the entire company not just the airline. Just about the last airline I’d hang my hat for my career.
Very well said.That would explain why Bay Street has lost confidence in TRZ.
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