King Air at Gillam, MB

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Re: King Air at Gillam, MB

Post by FICU » Thu Apr 25, 2019 5:01 pm

Anyone know the registration of it?
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Re: King Air at Gillam, MB

Post by JoeShmoe » Thu Apr 25, 2019 5:55 pm

You guys all know what this means right???
There is now a Gimli glider and a Gillem glider!

I will now continue to confuse the two towns names forever...
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Re: King Air at Gillam, MB

Post by digits_ » Thu Apr 25, 2019 5:59 pm

JoeShmoe wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 5:55 pm
You guys all know what this means right???
There is now a Gimli glider and a Gillem glider!

I will now continue to confuse the two towns names forever...
It's easy to remember. Gillam is the one with the smooth runway.
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Re: King Air at Gillam, MB

Post by PostmasterGeneral » Thu Apr 25, 2019 6:22 pm

FICU wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 5:01 pm
Anyone know the registration of it?
By the above photo, high float landing gear, wing lockers, and 3-bladed props?

That’s gotta be FRMV...
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Re: King Air at Gillam, MB

Post by corethatthermal » Thu Apr 25, 2019 6:36 pm

All Canadian runways should start under a lake, so that a failed landing can result in a soft landing howbeit wet one!
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Re: King Air at Gillam, MB

Post by greygoose » Thu Apr 25, 2019 7:00 pm

Very lucky crew. From the info I’ve been told it’s looking like a fuel issue, and not quality but quantity...
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Re: King Air at Gillam, MB

Post by Roadrunnersmother » Thu Apr 25, 2019 7:23 pm

greygoose wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 7:00 pm
Very lucky crew. From the info I’ve been told it’s looking like a fuel issue, and not quality but quantity...
How's that possible? Full mains is plenty for Winnipeg to Churchill.
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Re: King Air at Gillam, MB

Post by greygoose » Thu Apr 25, 2019 7:28 pm

Roadrunnersmother wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 7:23 pm
greygoose wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 7:00 pm
Very lucky crew. From the info I’ve been told it’s looking like a fuel issue, and not quality but quantity...
How's that possible? Full mains is plenty for Winnipeg to Churchill.

Um...perhaps if the mains were not filled?!?! Some of the people who I’ve chatted with said a couple other aircraft heard a low fuel emergency was declared at some point before bouncing it off the lake.
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Re: King Air at Gillam, MB

Post by Roadrunnersmother » Thu Apr 25, 2019 7:51 pm

greygoose wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 7:28 pm
Roadrunnersmother wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 7:23 pm
greygoose wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 7:00 pm
Very lucky crew. From the info I’ve been told it’s looking like a fuel issue, and not quality but quantity...
How's that possible? Full mains is plenty for Winnipeg to Churchill.

Um...perhaps if the mains were not filled?!?! Some of the people who I’ve chatted with said a couple other aircraft heard a low fuel emergency was declared at some point before bouncing it off the lake.
My God how much competance does it take to order full mains in Winnipeg, one pilot watch the fuel person fill the mains and if they didn't bother doing that, look at the fuel gauges when called on the checklist.

Running out of fuel doesn't seem real.
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Re: King Air at Gillam, MB

Post by FICU » Thu Apr 25, 2019 7:59 pm

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Thu Apr 25, 2019 6:22 pm
By the above photo, high float landing gear, wing lockers, and 3-bladed props?

That’s gotta be FRMV...
Thanks... I have a lot of time in CGT and ZPW from 15 years ago. Tough to see that happen to a company I spent over 6 years at.
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Re: King Air at Gillam, MB

Post by Donald » Thu Apr 25, 2019 9:02 pm

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Re: King Air at Gillam, MB

Post by trey kule » Thu Apr 25, 2019 9:22 pm

No CADORS?
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Re: King Air at Gillam, MB

Post by FlyGy » Fri Apr 26, 2019 7:47 am

Roadrunnersmother wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 7:23 pm
greygoose wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 7:00 pm
Very lucky crew. From the info I’ve been told it’s looking like a fuel issue, and not quality but quantity...
How's that possible? Full mains is plenty for Winnipeg to Churchill.
Was that the route? I thought it was a flight from somewhere in Nunavut to Winnipeg.
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Re: King Air at Gillam, MB

Post by FlyGy » Fri Apr 26, 2019 7:51 am

trey kule wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 9:22 pm
No CADORS?
Accidents usually take a little longer because the narrative is a little more involved.
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Re: King Air at Gillam, MB

Post by mmm..bacon » Fri Apr 26, 2019 9:07 am

I wonder if there’s any connection?
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Re: King Air at Gillam, MB

Post by 703doge » Fri Apr 26, 2019 11:12 am

The ad probably has to do more with the pay and morale, than the accident.
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Re: King Air at Gillam, MB

Post by fish4life » Fri Apr 26, 2019 11:36 am

I'm not saying that it is what happened but the routing it sounds like from the RCMP was YWG - YYQ. If this aircraft landed in YWG with YBR or YQK as an alternate thats about 30-45 ish mins of gas + 45 mins of reserve gas... about 1:30 will get you awfully close to Gillam if fuel was ordered in YWG but never arrived.
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Re: King Air at Gillam, MB

Post by C.W.E. » Fri Apr 26, 2019 11:49 am

Does the route make any difference if you don't have enough fuel to finish the flight?
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Re: King Air at Gillam, MB

Post by PostmasterGeneral » Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:00 pm

FICU wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 7:59 pm
PostmasterGeneral wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 6:22 pm
By the above photo, high float landing gear, wing lockers, and 3-bladed props?

That’s gotta be FRMV...
Thanks... I have a lot of time in CGT and ZPW from 15 years ago. Tough to see that happen to a company I spent over 6 years at.
CGT is mothballed outside the shell hangar in YWG. Missing it’s engines, tail, etc.

ZPW is still flying as far as I know.
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Re: King Air at Gillam, MB

Post by FICU » Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:33 pm

PostmasterGeneral wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:00 pm
CGT is mothballed outside the shell hangar in YWG. Missing it’s engines, tail, etc.

ZPW is still flying as far as I know.
RIP CGT... it was a workhorse!
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Re: King Air at Gillam, MB

Post by PostmasterGeneral » Fri Apr 26, 2019 2:37 pm

One of the nicest flying straight -200’s I ever had the pleasure of driving. Serial number 003 was she?
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Re: King Air at Gillam, MB

Post by Jug » Fri Apr 26, 2019 3:25 pm

C-FCGT was BB159. An ex Air Ontario machine.
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Re: King Air at Gillam, MB

Post by FICU » Fri Apr 26, 2019 3:56 pm

Was at Wasaya before KAL got it. I really enjoyed the performance it had with the Raisebeck mod and 4 bladed props and no autopilot. A completely different animal to ZPW. Those photos were taken from ZPW on a return flight to Rankin from Churchill. John F. was flying CGT with Tanice and I had Tim P. with me taking the pics. We had some formation fun and great times when it was a Mom and Pop company!
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Re: King Air at Gillam, MB

Post by FICU » Fri Apr 26, 2019 4:07 pm

A couple more for nostalgia...
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Re: King Air at Gillam, MB

Post by iflyforpie » Sat Apr 27, 2019 7:51 pm

goingnowherefast wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:22 pm
Except on a King Air, you transfer the aux fuel into the mains as there's room to accept it. By landing time, they'd long since have emptied the aux tanks and be running on the main tanks. Fuel would have been mixed long ago.

It will be interesting to see what the real investigators discover.
The auxes are transferred directly to the nacelle tank via the jet pump and to the engine. A flapper valve keeps the main fuel from entering the nacelle tank until the auxes are empty and the nacelle level/pressure drops due to the jet pump stopping.

It is possible for main fuel to be contaminated and aux fuel to not be. Unlikely, but possible.
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