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Re: DOH merge.

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I’m very proud of my Air Transat family, we have fought a long hard battle, with many ups and downs through out the years with many from the AC side mocking us, oh how amusing it will be to walk into flight operations and see those same guys again whom will now most likely be Junior to us, it is well deserved my friends we worked hard and now the pay off is coming!
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Duke Point wrote: Thu May 16, 2019 2:29 pm As an AC'er, date of hire is very reasonable. Fences may be required for a specified period.

The Transat guys DID NOT ask for this, a merger will be forced.

They have mortgages, families and career aspirations just like every AC pilot does.

I disagree that newer hires at AC will be inconvenienced much. There has been unprecidented growth and upgrades are occurring in as little as two years. I would hardly call this a time of hardship for anyone at AC.

With the number of fins Transat will bring, swallowing 600 pilots will be easy. They will only constitute 12% of a merged body.

DP.
Well said and I agree and I am AC as well. This is my 3rd merger and DOH is entirely fair.

I would add too that TS is bringing high quality jobs - narrow body Airbus and Boeing’s as well as A330’s - to the merger.
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When you have the 700 TSC pilots show up we will be bringing airplanes. I fail to see how this could delay anyone’s career progression? I foresee a 5 year red circle of the was a list merge.

Besides, the level of emotion is way to elevated for this stage of the process, don’t blow your wad in the first km of the marathon.
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Habslover wrote: Thu May 16, 2019 7:05 pm I’m very proud of my Air Transat family, we have fought a long hard battle, with many ups and downs through out the years with many from the AC side mocking us, oh how amusing it will be to walk into flight operations and see those same guys again whom will now most likely be Junior to us, it is well deserved my friends we worked hard and now the pay off is coming!
I hope you have enough class to not act that way towards your new coworkers.
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Re: DOH merge.

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Habslover wrote: Thu May 16, 2019 12:19 pm BOTL I don’t think so my friends, I tink it should be more along the line of where I sit on my current seniority list now, no?

Why should I go DOH when it’s only 8 yrs ago I was hired, when I sit at 48% seniority on my list? I won’t be 48% at AC if I go DOH. That not good for me.

I should merge at 48% seniority on AC list, no?

I should also get to hold my uh left seat tree turdy as well, no?

AC pilot seem very hostile today, no?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA,,,

Too funny! You write that shit pretty good...
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He does write Trollese quite well indeed! :lol:
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Habslover is a new account made just to stir the pot, let's not feed the troll.
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TFTMB heavy wrote: Fri May 17, 2019 5:27 am Habslover is a new account made just to stir the pot, let's not feed the troll.
Riiight....Only people who have "gained" credibility on a forum hiding behind a username should be allowed to comment.

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TFTMB Heavy,

Who are you? Do you fly the uh A tree turdy? I think not!
Are you 60 or are you 16 playing de flight Simu Lator???

You call me a troll, Ha. My wife call me the same thing when I’m down between er legs, yes! Both times I am enjoying myself....

Anyway, I have a departure to make to make my was across de Atlantic to the coast of France. My partner is also very ‘appy to join AC we both have big dreams to fly the Boeing 777. He figured he will be top 10%! It is truly amazing.

On a nodder note, who is in charge of de training? I would like to join the training dept. as checker as soon as possible.

Have a great day friends.
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Habslover wrote: Fri May 17, 2019 10:03 am TFTMB Heavy,

Who are you? Do you fly the uh A tree turdy? I think not!
Are you 60 or are you 16 playing de flight Simu Lator???

You call me a troll, Ha. My wife call me the same thing when I’m down between er legs, yes! Both times I am enjoying myself....

Anyway, I have a departure to make to make my was across de Atlantic to the coast of France. My partner is also very ‘appy to join AC we both have big dreams to fly the Boeing 777. He figured he will be top 10%! It is truly amazing.

On a nodder note, who is in charge of de training? I would like to join the training dept. as checker as soon as possible.

Have a great day friends.
That's some high level shit.
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Wow that escalated quickly!

I’m excited about the AC purchase, I believe it has a lot of potential. Rouge has helped AC become competitive on a cost basis with TS and made this acquisition possible. The missing element has been what Transat brings to the table; the tour company, relationships with hotels, the non-airline business.

Once the deal is finalized Air Canada will unveil how it’s businesses will develop. It doesn’t make sense to keep Transat operating independently long term, keep rouge operating as is and have a mainline brand. 3 separate A320 fleets? Two leisure airlines, things are going to change. I could see rouge being rolled into Transat, they’re roughly the same size, the flying is the same, as are the bases, maybe rouge/Transat is a suitable baseline index for seniority?

Once the business plans become known it’s important that the pilot groups work together. Immediately everyone discusses seniority, but the worst possible thing that could happen it to maintain 2 separate lists as both groups would be forced to undercut each other for aircraft/flying.

The pilot contract will be renegotiated, pay rates, scope, pensions, everything. It’s important that the two groups aren’t squabbling over seniority while this is taking place. Obviously nothing is going to happen overnight, but it’s important for hurdles to be cleared prudently. The Delta/Northwest merger rewrote the book and Delta has been untouchable in the industry for the past 10 years. WestJet will be able to gets it house in order much more simply than AC/TS, I’d hate to loose another decade fighting over seniority.
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What percentage of Transat pilots are currently at which bases? I'm curious where they will be likely bidding for in the future.
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What percentage of Transat pilots are currently at which bases? I'm curious where they will be likely bidding for in the future
I would say:
45% YUL
55% YYZ(of which more than 50% are waiting for a spot in YUL)
0.1% YVR
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TheStig wrote: Fri May 17, 2019 10:35 am The pilot contract will be renegotiated, pay rates, scope, pensions, everything. It’s important that the two groups aren’t squabbling over seniority while this is taking place. Obviously nothing is going to happen overnight, but it’s important for hurdles to be cleared prudently. The Delta/Northwest merger rewrote the book and Delta has been untouchable in the industry for the past 10 years. WestJet will be able to gets it house in order much more simply than AC/TS, I’d hate to loose another decade fighting over seniority.
You hit the nail on the head. Air Canada's downfall and the reason it lags so far behind the rest of north America is the years and years of seniority squabble. I'm a very very new hire at AC and this will effect me in many ways. That being said if having 500+ pilots slide ahead of me means the abolishment of the 4 year status pay, raises for everyone and improvements to scope and the DC pension then that is something I have no issue with. Use this as leverage to bring some significant gains for everyone not just the top %10 widebody Captains.

The second the pilots get caught up in a battle over seniority, CR has already won.
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Re: DOH merge.

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FL320 wrote: Fri May 17, 2019 3:30 pm
What percentage of Transat pilots are currently at which bases? I'm curious where they will be likely bidding for in the future
I would say:
45% YUL
55% YYZ(of which more than 50% are waiting for a spot in YUL)
0.1% YVR
Thanks. Sounds like it's going to be tough for people to land a YUL spot.
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Dry Guy wrote: Fri May 17, 2019 4:01 pm
FL320 wrote: Fri May 17, 2019 3:30 pm
What percentage of Transat pilots are currently at which bases? I'm curious where they will be likely bidding for in the future
I would say:
45% YUL
55% YYZ(of which more than 50% are waiting for a spot in YUL)
0.1% YVR
Thanks. Sounds like it's going to be tough for people to land a YUL spot.
It's already always been Sr. But look at it this way, with YYZ getting full YUL is likely the next big hub. They've already expanded Jazz out there to bring in a lot of feed for overseas flights. Add the gates and slots AT had I don't really see that there would be a decrease in overall flights out of YUL.
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If the wording in this message means anything Air Transat could remain its own brand/operation for the foreseeable future at least and no merge short term.

1. By connecting Transat to our own network
2. ....adding Transat services to our network would create new North American market opportunities
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It is estimated 8-14 months to get through all the regulator huddles. The competition bureau may require divestiture of part of Transat like what happened in the AC/CDN merger. CDN regional was put up for sale. In the end there were no takers and folded in to Jazz.

So while all this is going on, of course the two companies will create synergies while not merged. The ACPA contract does not allow for Transat to run separate. I listened to an AC manager two days ago. The plan is to merge Transat into mainline. Rouge may as well.

How about everyone step back from the keyboard. Opinions are like azzwholes. Everyone’s got one. If we don’t come up with a fair integration on our own? The ONLY opinion that will matter is an arbitrators.

From experience. Everyone is better off with a negotiated list. Don’t follow those who want to fight or express entitlement. Use your own brain to determine fair.

Cheers

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Fanblade wrote: Sat May 18, 2019 8:56 am It is estimated 8-14 months to get through all the regulator huddles. The competition bureau may require divestiture of part of Transat like what happened in the AC/CDN merger. CDN regional was put up for sale. In the end there were no takers and folded in to Jazz.

So while all this is going on, of course the two companies will create synergies while not merged. The ACPA contract does not allow for Transat to run separate. I listened to an AC manager two days ago. The plan is to merge Transat into mainline. Rouge may as well.

How about everyone step back from the keyboard. Opinions are like azzwholes. Everyone’s got one. If we don’t come up with a fair integration on our own? The ONLY opinion that will matter is an arbitrators.

From experience. Everyone is better off with a negotiated list. Don’t follow those who want to fight or express entitlement. Use your own brain to determine fair.

Cheers

Welcome Transat pilots
A negotiated contract is always better than an arbitrated one.

Ask the Westjet pilots how they feel about their imposed contract.

It's always better to have control. The best contract is when every party walks away a little unhappy. If one group feels they "won", you've likely been had.
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I have a feeling it's Transat people posting this kumbaya stuff. Let it go to the arbitrator. At least there is no way they would allow DOH.
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