I'm AC. Based on the users posting most of the Kumbaya stuff is coming from the AC side.
Why?
Experience
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I'm AC. Based on the users posting most of the Kumbaya stuff is coming from the AC side.
I have no horse in this race but sending AT pilots to the BOTL doesn't seem objectively right, just like a 6 year AT 330 captain maintaining their position, once the dust settles.
People like this are going to be the major losers in the deal. Some people are going to go from WB Captain to NB FO.indieadventurer wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 10:55 am Would that hypothetical 6 year AT 330 captain getting 6 years AC seniority and bidding whatever that would afford them not be fair?
I doubt it. I think there will be some kind of status protection (prob 320CA) for the initial transition by which time they would hold 320 CA whatever the outcome.Victory wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 11:10 amPeople like this are going to be the major losers in the deal. Some people are going to go from WB Captain to NB FO.indieadventurer wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 10:55 am Would that hypothetical 6 year AT 330 captain getting 6 years AC seniority and bidding whatever that would afford them not be fair?
I hope that is just BS rumour stuff. But yes that would certainly start a war. Force AC pilots to go in the extreme opposite direction.
If this happens there will be riots in the airport.
And this is how to start a freak out show... None of us will benefit from this kind of false rumors. Please remain reasonable and state your facts if you have them. There is no way this kind of details are being discussed at this stage. Don't see ourselves as a key factor in this transaction, we are only employees...altiplano wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 11:43 am I'm hearing that AT already had a committee preparing for seniority merger before the deal was ever announced. I heard their position is all AT CAs go to AC 330 CA seniority levels. I understand junior CAs at AT are under 10 year seniority and as low as 5 year seniority. Expecting to merge at a 25-35 year seniority level? At a 40-50% pay increase, and everything else you'll get joining? Get real.
Every AT pilot will win in this deal however it lands. Even a narrow body seat ie. 320 in present status with YOS pay. Higher pay than present position, better/employer paid benefits, better work rules, a pension, profit share, and upward mobility to those eventual 40-50% raises... Sounds pretty fracking good.
I don't agree. A large number of AC pilots will benefit from the addition of the 30 or so airbus (a330 but especially the 15 new A321neo). All those tails will be able to, at least, cross the atlantique. In my eyes it will widen the horizon for many, especially for those who are/will be on the A320 fleet.There is zero benefit in this deal for AC pilots. However it goes we lose something... but try to take it all with a moonshot and there's going to be a long fight.
No.
Bang on. That's the way it has always been.Victory wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 11:10 amPeople like this are going to be the major losers in the deal. Some people are going to go from WB Captain to NB FO.indieadventurer wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 10:55 am Would that hypothetical 6 year AT 330 captain getting 6 years AC seniority and bidding whatever that would afford them not be fair?
The contract says no such thing. It wouldn't matter even if it did.
How? Why? Pay isn't going down. Just because someone else would, hypothetically, catch a break, doesn't mean you are losing money.
If your priority is time off at home, which infers you aren't working extra overtime days, how are you making more than a mainline pilot same type/status?126.75 wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 10:22 am I am at Rouge and have been for about 4 years. I work less days per year than my ML counter parts and earn more money than them (compared with ML friends). I have the ability to get most days off that I want, and can "generally" choose the kind of flying I want.