Future 797 single pilot?

[igorcanuck]

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/20/boeings ... board.html

797 single pilot? What are your thoughts?

[pianokeys]

Its going to happen. Just a matter of when.

[Heliian]

lol. ya, first they should figure out how to make their planes flyable with 2 pilots.

Everyone thinks self driving drone taxis are going to be filling the skies in the next couple of years.

Sadly, we just aren't there yet.

[ant_321]

I hope not. Can you imagine sitting in the front all day long with nobody to talk to?

[FICU]

Who's going to wake them out of their head bobbing nap?

[goingnowherefast]

Pilots don't get tired, the fatigue rules are robust

[yycflyguy]

Who's going to wake them out of their head bobbing nap?

Or when they need to go pee
or when they have a knife and fork in their hands
or when they become incapacitated
or when they are screwing up
or when there are multiple MELs and are expected to fly through the night with no AP AT for 11 hours
or in an emergency, who is going to run the checklist, who will fly

Pure rubbish to think that single pilot airliners will happen in my lifetime. Uber taxis can't even figure out land automation without weather dynamics and more complicated systems that planes have.

[igorcanuck]

Who's going to wake them out of their head bobbing nap?

Or when they need to go pee
or when they have a knife and fork in their hands
or when they become incapacitated
or when they are screwing up
or when there are multiple MELs and are expected to fly through the night with no AP AT for 11 hours
or in an emergency, who is going to run the checklist, who will fly

Pure rubbish to think that single pilot airliners will happen in my lifetime. Uber taxis can't even figure out land automation without weather dynamics and more complicated systems that planes have.

"A second pilot would be ground based and be able to “monitor several aircraft” at the same time"

HAHAHA! First-officers and dispatchers will 'merge"

[FICU]

They would have a button in the ground control trailer labeled... "Wake Pilot" and it would send an electrical shock through the driver to snap him/her out of their peaceful slumber.

[rookiepilot]

They would have a button in the ground control trailer labeled... "Wake Pilot" and it would send an electrical shock through the driver to snap him/her out of their peaceful slumber.

Wouldn't "Shock" me in the least.

[JohnnyHotRocks]

Who's going to wake them out of their head bobbing nap?

Or when they need to go pee
or when they have a knife and fork in their hands
or when they become incapacitated
or when they are screwing up
or when there are multiple MELs and are expected to fly through the night with no AP AT for 11 hours
or in an emergency, who is going to run the checklist, who will fly

Pure rubbish to think that single pilot airliners will happen in my lifetime. Uber taxis can't even figure out land automation without weather dynamics and more complicated systems that planes have.

"A second pilot would be ground based and be able to “monitor several aircraft” at the same time"

HAHAHA! First-officers and dispatchers will 'merge"

This will be the new “pilot in waiting “ position

[digits_]

Or when they need to go pee
or when they have a knife and fork in their hands
or when they become incapacitated
or when they are screwing up
or when there are multiple MELs and are expected to fly through the night with no AP AT for 11 hours
or in an emergency, who is going to run the checklist, who will fly

Pure rubbish to think that single pilot airliners will happen in my lifetime. Uber taxis can't even figure out land automation without weather dynamics and more complicated systems that planes have.

"A second pilot would be ground based and be able to “monitor several aircraft” at the same time"

HAHAHA! First-officers and dispatchers will 'merge"

This will be the new “pilot in waiting “ position

Can I log them as PIC under supervision?

[FICU]

Can I log them as PIC under supervision?

PIC under a roof

[goingnowherefast]

Can I log it as "not gonna apply for the job or book that flight"?

[doiwannabeapilot]

Just offer to pay the single pilot 1.5x their current salary, and watch how many pilots suddenly want it.
Oh wait, pilots ALWAYS stand up for the "greater good" of the industry and their fellow pilots.

[goingnowherefast]

Wouldn't an FO be cheaper than 1.5x captain salary and a ground based FO, even split among several flights?

[leftoftrack]

who's gonna pull the circuit breaker during a runaway trim when the first pilot is using all his might to maintain control?

[doiwannabeapilot]

Just offer to pay the single pilot 1.5x their current salary, and watch how many pilots suddenly want it.
Oh wait, pilots ALWAYS stand up for the "greater good" of the industry and their fellow pilots.

Dang. You're right. It might be a wash at 1.5
But 1.2 or 1.3 and a dispatcher/monitor salary it might be workable. It's really about pilot incapacitation...otherwise 5g and cpdlc....can fly the plane.

I guess my point is once the economics are workable.....

[doiwannabeapilot]

who's gonna pull the circuit breaker during a runaway trim when the first pilot is using all his might to maintain control?

Siri will. Just speak into the integrated Iphone/display unit.

It's 2019

[doiwannabeapilot]

Who's going to wake them out of their head bobbing nap?

Or when they need to go pee
or when they have a knife and fork in their hands
or when they become incapacitated
or when they are screwing up
or when there are multiple MELs and are expected to fly through the night with no AP AT for 11 hours
or in an emergency, who is going to run the checklist, who will fly

Pure rubbish to think that single pilot airliners will happen in my lifetime. Uber taxis can't even figure out land automation without weather dynamics and more complicated systems that planes have.

I agree.
Next there will be autoland !
Whoever heard of such a thing....a plane landing itself.
Maybe in 2077

What's next....watches like inspector gadget?
Or large video telephones in the kitchen at home where you can ACTUALLY see a person's face as you talk to them. Way too futuristic for me!

[Outlaw58]

Knowing what I know now, I just can't see myself boarding a plane without a pilot. I trust the flawed human way more than the supposedly triply-redundant ultra-fail-safe computers.

58

[doiwannabeapilot]

I hope not. Can you imagine sitting in the front all day long with nobody to talk to?

No worries.
The 'gram, Facebook, twotter and the like will be there
for your in flight entertainment.

[L39Guy]

It ain’t gonna happen for the following reasons:
- Boeing or any manufacturer would have to prove to the regulators that a one pilot airplane would as safe or safer than a two person airplane. It would be difficult if not impossible to make that case.
- as you can see with the MAX issue, there is no tolerance for accidents of one aircraft type. Accidents of a one pilot aircraft would make these aircraft permanently to toxic to consumers and airlines.
- Automation does fail. Boeing and Airbus and others have proven that.
- There are scores and scores of examples of automation failing and the pilot(s) saving the day. It’s never front page news, however.
- When one considers the incremental cost of a second pilot onboard compared to the second pilot on the ground, it is in the dollar per hour per passenger range. The traveling public would be happy to pay that. Yes, there are bozo’s that say that they wouldn’t but they would be the exception.
- Even bean counters can figure out that incremental cost of a second human on the aircraft is a small investment compared to the cost of a single accident that would have been prevented.

[leftoftrack]

if you're saying its cause of the cost of having the 1 pilot on board vs 2 and having 1 pilot on the ground. They would soon find a way to have that 1 pilot being the 2nd pilot on more then 1 airplane at a time. Thats where the real savings would be.

[fish4life]

Or pilot 2 is helping serve cookies in the back after TO/landing