TSAM wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 6:57 pm
I think some of the junior AC posters need to heed the words of the more experienced AC posters here.
laserstrike wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 4:35 pm
At the end of the day when it comes time to vote, I need to see the big picture.
You don't have the big picture now, but you're already jumping to conclusions and making outlandish demands. If the fleet is growing by the same or more than the eqivelant pilots coming over then I can deal with it. But do we really think that's going to happen? The 737s will likely be gone, the older 310's, gone.
The remaining 310's and 737 are scheduled to be retired over the next couple years, the 321's are to replace those. Those 321's... that AC will be getting. What does that leave us with, 20 330's and a dozen 320s? Are all the future orders going to see the line? Is AC going to sell them off to the higest bidder? Are the 7373 MAX's going to leave the fleet and these NEOs only replace what we already had? Etc. etc.
Discuss that with CR
laserstrike wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 3:20 pm
Puffpuffpass wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 2:20 pm
Above post is spot on, how would a Transat pilot be able to complain about being allowed to hold his same seat out of Senority, with a pay raise? Obviously they should have to join the bottom of the list at AC...they started working here after everyone else!!
I also don’t agree with these fences protecting certain groups. What kind of fence is going to protect the 3 yr guy here? I could care less about myself, no matter what happens here I won’t be affected.
Seems like you do care
It will no doubt go to arbitration, unless ACPA and AC have a little something up their sleeves, which I’m starting to think they might. Our Rouge President left out of the blue this week past.
I'm hearing a lot of people agree with this sentiment. I'm glad I'm not the only one.
I chose to leave a pretty cushy job at Jazz to go to AC. My decision was pretty hard to make given I was essentially layoff protected at Jazz, had a great schedule in the left seat and it would have only continued to get better. I decided to come based on retirement and fleet projections, plus the fact I was supposed to have 600 pilots BELOW me in a year and a half.
Someone has the case of the "supposed ta's". What if this merger doesn't happen but a recession does? Are you going to cry that to Calin when the layoff letters get sent out? I chose to stay in the AC umbrella by doing my time at Jazz, and shouldn't be disadvantaged for my loyalty to the brand.
We all know you decided to go to AC for more than that, and see below about taking risks. Additionally that "cushy" job at jazz is still there if you like. As for loyalty, it means nothing in Canadian aviation, hasn't for ages.
Now, if the majority of AT pilots slide in above me.. it will really effect potential upgrades, schedule and long term career prospects.
A lot of pilots who've been around over 15 years has had their upgrades, pay, schedule, and career prospects changed at some point. You are no special case. Many of us at TS are affected by a merger too, we have a great thing here, may not be perfect, but we’re happy here Many of them chose to got to AT and there are a number who left the AC family (Express mostly) with no intention of working for AC. Why give them the biggest of all payoffs with seniority, pay increases and many more opportunities for widebody left seats than they would have ever seen at AT.
Let them keep their seats, and pay. But put them at the bottom. Give them YOS for pay and vacation for all I care. But when it comes to bidding rights, they should go where they belong. The bottom.
Sure, we'll keep our seats (and planes)... not going to happen
I might sound like an asshole,
yes you do but this is my life here... and yes it's theirs too. But that's the risk you take going to go work for a charter airline,
you took the risk of joining the aviation industry. Additionally, Transat has been around for over 30 yrs with no sign of slowing or ending many of which haven't had that great of lifespan in Canada over the years.
ahramin wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 5:27 pm
So you think it's possible that adding aircraft and pilots could triple the upgrade time? Are you able to share how you calculated that? Are you assuming the new duty regs will be implemented or current duty regs?
Math (addition) seems hard to comprehend. I'm really beginning to think we're being trolled. Not being able to add the aircraft, positions created due to fatigue rules and to cover the positions from our mixed fleet flying, retirements and likely some early retirements, and likely we’ll be short staffed as mgmt will not want to spend the time and money to train someone for a short duration on Transats dime. Not to mention a reopen of their contract is very beneficial to AC, but yet, some don't see it.
It's really not hard to all work together, the last thing we all need is a toxic work environment. And it's not hard to wait for confirmation of a merger and approval from the competition bureau before spinning the death of your careers.
couple edits for clarity
Why would any junior pilot in their right mind heed any words of wisdom from one of us old guys? We are the greediest bunch of the lot, we are the ones who have this airline in the state that its in.....reading some of the post the younger generation have and how they discuss things in their own private forums is actually quite humbling....I strongly disagree and feel, the only way to get the union and all its members to fight an honest fight for the junior guy, is to affect the entire list....let the pilots 2600 and up start worrying about 400-600 guys/gals slotting ahead of them....see what happens then! If I were junior I would ask for protection against all the group or roll the dice and send it to an arbitration.....what have they to loose?? It sickens me how two pilots at AC can have totally different careers.....
I've been very fortunate however, I have other family members who have long careers left here and they have sacrificed so much already for their spots. It woud be a shame to see these new guys come over with their sense of entitlement(which they will) and out a negative spin on it all.
I ask again, how is it unfair, or unheard of, to let the AT pilots keep their current positions, hold same Senority amoungst their own, and receive a huge pay raise? The #1 guy is still flying his 330 with 600 pilots below him, and he now has a raise, better benefits, better perks, etc.