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Assuming this continues with AC what would the timeline look like?
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Fanblade wrote: Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:07 pm
iflyroads wrote: Wed Jun 05, 2019 12:18 pm
flyinhigh wrote: Wed Jun 05, 2019 11:49 am I wouldn't worry about other offers to much.

https://aircanada.mediaroom.com/2019-06 ... -Companies


Share holders would have to approve the AC offer.

Some might want to take the highest one as they will end up with more money.
There is zero point participating in a bidding war from AC perspective. They will wait and then match/beat or hold their offer at deadline.

But your right the shareholders only care about $
Yes money bad , and socialism good . :rolleyes:
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If they weren't shook by the other offer they never would have addressed it in the press release about why their offer is better.
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There is no assurance that the transaction will be completed as described in this news release or at all.
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laserstrike wrote: Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:37 pm If anyone thinks a dollar a share is going to stop Calin if he really wants AT and the planes/pilots/routes, I have a bridge to sell you.
I don’t think he wants it that bad, he just doesn’t want certain others to have it. If it’s deemed that an airline owned by a real estate firm poses no credible threat then their offer could come as a relief. AC now has the opportunity to save a half a billion dollars and whatever ongoing internal friction that would have caused. It will be interesting to see what happens next.
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There's no way Rovinescu doesn't want this bad. It helps fix the MAX issue which history may remember as the biggest blunder of his career. It solves the pilot shortage. It replaces the 767's. Not to mention the obvious increase in vacation travel business. It's such a sweetheart deal that it makes me wonder if the Onex deal wasn't a reaction to Air Canada buying Transat not the other way around. WestJet probably caught wind and realized they need a big cash injection to compete.
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Victory wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2019 6:06 am There's no way Rovinescu doesn't want this bad. It helps fix the MAX issue which history may remember as the biggest blunder of his career. It solves the pilot shortage. It replaces the 767's. Not to mention the obvious increase in vacation travel business. It's such a sweetheart deal that it makes me wonder if the Onex deal wasn't a reaction to Air Canada buying Transat not the other way around. WestJet probably caught wind and realized they need a big cash injection to compete.
I don’t think WestJet would have come to Onex and gotten a premium if they were looking for cash, that would have been Onex coming to them. One interesting thing that I don’t think anyone will know is whether or not Onex was in talks with transat as well
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fish4life wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2019 6:30 am One interesting thing that I don’t think anyone will know is whether or not Onex was in talks with transat as well
We will never know for certain. However the timelines overlap between Onex talking to WJ, and WJ making an offer to Transat. In all likelihood Onex was attempting to stay under the radar and WJ was used as a proxy to put feelers out to Transat. If Onex could get WJ to nab Transat before showing their face, there would be no time for AC to react.

As it turned out the WJ offer to Transat instead prompted the Transat BOD to go public and announce it had an unsolicited decent offer and sought higher bidders. This forced Onex/WJ to announce what had been going on behind closed doors. AC jumped immediately.

I don’t think this is over by a long shot. I don’t think Onex has finished. AC right now is probably just watching and running down the clock on what may now be a three way race.
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Fanblade wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:35 am
fish4life wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2019 6:30 am One interesting thing that I don’t think anyone will know is whether or not Onex was in talks with transat as well
We will never know for certain. However the timelines overlap between Onex talking to WJ, and WJ making an offer to Transat. In all likelihood Onex was attempting to stay under the radar and WJ was used as a proxy to put feelers out to Transat. If Onex could get WJ to nab Transat before showing their face, there would be no time for AC to react.

As it turned out the WJ offer to Transat instead prompted the Transat BOD to go public and announce it had an unsolicited decent offer and sought higher bidders. This forced Onex/WJ to announce what had been going on behind closed doors. AC jumped immediately.

I don’t think this is over by a long shot. I don’t think Onex has finished. AC right now is probably just watching and running down the clock on what may now be a three way race.
Pure speculation :roll:
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Outbid by a company that has to get a loan from Quebec to pay ? That's smart , not . They are blowing smoke to cause Air Canada to be alarmed or increase the offer . They have not even sat down with Air Transat and already they are shooting off to the press. Who wants a real estate firm that needs a loan to invest in a company that is losing money daily ? VS an airline that will absorb TS debt and keep pilots flying and stable ? If TS chooses to go with the Swampland in Florida offer then all pilots risk having no job because the airline becomes another piece of property for them to use as collateral and split into small subsidiaries .
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^ Every pilot at AC, thats who.
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Here's hoping shareholder greed prevails.

TS pilots keep their company and schedules.
TS management and office staff keep their jobs.
AC pilots maintain their career progression.
Shareholders get the one thing that matters to them.
Legault keeps his legacy.
Onex is kept out.
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PT6onH20 wrote: Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:28 pm Here's hoping shareholder greed prevails.

TS pilots keep their company and schedules.
TS management and office staff keep their jobs.
AC pilots maintain their career progression.
Shareholders get the one thing that matters to them.
Legault keeps his legacy.
Onex is kept out.
Try telling the shareholders , who purchased their shares in 2007 at $37.00 each , and have believed the management's lies for the past 12 years that a turn around was just around the corner. I'm sure that they would laugh at your socialist statement "shareholder greed prevails".
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A shareholder I will take the highest offer. Doesn't matter who is making the offer!
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tsgas wrote: Tue Jun 18, 2019 3:14 pm
PT6onH20 wrote: Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:28 pm Here's hoping shareholder greed prevails.

TS pilots keep their company and schedules.
TS management and office staff keep their jobs.
AC pilots maintain their career progression.
Shareholders get the one thing that matters to them.
Legault keeps his legacy.
Onex is kept out.
Try telling the shareholders , who purchased their shares in 2007 at $37.00 each , and have believed the management's lies for the past 12 years that a turn around was just around the corner. I'm sure that they would laugh at your socialist statement "shareholder greed prevails".
Of course it was the greed that prevailed and lost them all that money... $37 and they are still holding them all the way down to $4 or $5... now $12 or $13 and they haven't counted their luck and jumped? Maybe they'll get another couple bucks in this deal... but not much more... then again it could fall through and the stock is back at $5.

They are greedy to not stomach the loss and move on. It's a common problem with investors... won't sell at a loss and ride it into the ground... Since 2007? Since 2009 we have had the biggest bull market in history, they could have made back their losses... Look at all that opportunity lost.

If they think they'll get $37 back, they're dreaming... take the best offer you can get and move on. What does an investor care about what happens after they are paid?
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altiplano wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:26 am
tsgas wrote: Tue Jun 18, 2019 3:14 pm
PT6onH20 wrote: Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:28 pm Here's hoping shareholder greed prevails.

TS pilots keep their company and schedules.
TS management and office staff keep their jobs.
AC pilots maintain their career progression.
Shareholders get the one thing that matters to them.
Legault keeps his legacy.
Onex is kept out.
Try telling the shareholders , who purchased their shares in 2007 at $37.00 each , and have believed the management's lies for the past 12 years that a turn around was just around the corner. I'm sure that they would laugh at your socialist statement "shareholder greed prevails".
Of course it was the greed that prevailed and lost them all that money... $37 and they are still holding them all the way down to $4 or $5... now $12 or $13 and they haven't counted their luck and jumped? Maybe they'll get another couple bucks in this deal... but not much more... then again it could fall through and the stock is back at $5.

They are greedy to not stomach the loss and move on. It's a common problem with investors... won't sell at a loss and ride it into the ground... Since 2007? Since 2009 we have had the biggest bull market in history, they could have made back their losses... Look at all that opportunity lost.

If they think they'll get $37 back, they're dreaming... take the best offer you can get and move on. What does an investor care about what happens after they are paid?
Not everyone is a shark like you. Many people have investments in an RRSP account and follow the classic Warren Buffet approach of buy and hold. Without investors companies would have a hard time remaining in business. The use of the word "greed" is offensive for people that are wiling to take risk and support a company.

President Maduro of Venezuela , shares your views on capitalism and "greedy shareholders".
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tsgas wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2019 11:19 am Without investors companies would have a hard time remaining in business.
If a business needs constant investment to stay afloat, and can't do so by selling goods and services to their customers, then they have an atrocious business model and should fail. When you buy stocks on the open market, the company doesn't get anything from that; you're buying from other shareholders. The company got its cash in the IPO, and if they need to keep splitting shares and selling more to raise more money, then they aren't long for this world.
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Diadem wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:06 pm
tsgas wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2019 11:19 am Without investors companies would have a hard time remaining in business.
If a business needs constant investment to stay afloat, and can't do so by selling goods and services to their customers, then they have an atrocious business model and should fail. When you buy stocks on the open market, the company doesn't get anything from that; you're buying from other shareholders. The company got its cash in the IPO, and if they need to keep splitting shares and selling more to raise more money, then they aren't long for this world.
and how many successful companies have you run ?
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tsgas wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2019 11:19 am
altiplano wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:26 am
tsgas wrote: Tue Jun 18, 2019 3:14 pm

Try telling the shareholders , who purchased their shares in 2007 at $37.00 each , and have believed the management's lies for the past 12 years that a turn around was just around the corner. I'm sure that they would laugh at your socialist statement "shareholder greed prevails".
Of course it was the greed that prevailed and lost them all that money... $37 and they are still holding them all the way down to $4 or $5... now $12 or $13 and they haven't counted their luck and jumped? Maybe they'll get another couple bucks in this deal... but not much more... then again it could fall through and the stock is back at $5.

They are greedy to not stomach the loss and move on. It's a common problem with investors... won't sell at a loss and ride it into the ground... Since 2007? Since 2009 we have had the biggest bull market in history, they could have made back their losses... Look at all that opportunity lost.

If they think they'll get $37 back, they're dreaming... take the best offer you can get and move on. What does an investor care about what happens after they are paid?
Not everyone is a shark like you. Many people have investments in an RRSP account and follow the classic Warren Buffet approach of buy and hold. Without investors companies would have a hard time remaining in business. The use of the word "greed" is offensive for people that are wiling to take risk and support a company.

President Maduro of Venezuela , shares your views on capitalism and "greedy shareholders".
Maduro? Hardly.

Support a company? Double hardly... do you believe these people you mention just let their money evaporate over the past 12 years to support a non-dividend paying money losing company? LOL...

Nothing wrong with being greedy, but if you're riding it out "believing the management lies" as you put it and you get bit it's all on you. The market owes you nothing... If you are going to ride it out you better have your own research and reasons.

LOL on Warned Buffet comparison. Are you serious? "I rode Blockbuster into the ground because it's what Warren Buffet would do... where did I go wrong"
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