35 people injured on AC flight.
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35 people injured on AC flight.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/air-cana ... -1.5208458
Try wearing your seatbelt. All the time.
The stupidity of people astounds me.
Try wearing your seatbelt. All the time.
The stupidity of people astounds me.
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Re: 35 people injured on AC flight.
It will be spun that it is AC's fault, they should have know about the turbulence! Just like fog and thunderstorms are the airlines fault also. Mankind is getting stupider at an alarming rate.
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Re: 35 people injured on AC flight.
You would think people would just automatically put their seatbelt on when they are seated, just like a car.
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Re: 35 people injured on AC flight.
Thank silicone valley that i have an app on my cell phone that determines where the CAT s are ! I just fire her up just before my legs fall into a paraplegic seizure due to modern airline seat constraints and presto! I can remove my seat belt and EVEN walk around because CAT is not forecasted for another 22.24 minutes ! Figure that !
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Of course if the CBC is posting it, its already ACs fault.Hugh Jasshole wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:38 pm It will be spun that it is AC's fault, they should have know about the turbulence! Just like fog and thunderstorms are the airlines fault also. Mankind is getting stupider at an alarming rate.
Re: 35 people injured on AC flight.
I fly with pilots that routinely unhook their shoulder harnesses for whatever perceived advantage. I don't get that either.
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I have never flown with anyone at an airline who doesn’t get rid of the shoulder harness above 10,000 feet.
Re: 35 people injured on AC flight.
Shoulder belts are great for rapid deceleration and for ejection, conecting you to your parachute. The lap belt and 5th connection between your legs are what will hold you in your seat in turbulence. I also have never known anyone to wear shoulder belts above 10k unless we were flying an ejection seat.
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It's just more comfortable, and as mentioned there isn't a safety advantage.
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I also have never known anyone to wear shoulder belts above 10k unless we were flying an
ejection seat."
This glider pilot bonked his head on the canopy over the foothills not that many days ago - plus I suspect a battery connector interrupted the circuit. I thought I had my straps tight (previous head bonks). They're even tighter now.
This glider pilot bonked his head on the canopy over the foothills not that many days ago - plus I suspect a battery connector interrupted the circuit. I thought I had my straps tight (previous head bonks). They're even tighter now.
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I wonder how many long it will be until seat belts become mandatory if seated on airplanes instead of just recommended.
Also I’ll add my self to the list of not knowing anyone who wears shoulder harnesses above 10000’ unless there is known turbulence, I personally find they contribute to bad posture.
Also I’ll add my self to the list of not knowing anyone who wears shoulder harnesses above 10000’ unless there is known turbulence, I personally find they contribute to bad posture.
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My couch is comfortable, and has no seatbelts. My airplane is less comfortable, and has seatbelts. I wear all of them all of the time. I'm not in my (or any) plane for comfort, so It'd rather be tied into it with all the belts. Perhaps not tightened right up, but at least latched in place.It's just more comfortable, and as mentioned there isn't a safety advantage.
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How come on every 5 point harness, there is a latch you can press to just unbuckle the shoulder harnesses?
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Re: 35 people injured on AC flight.
Haven't flown AC in years but Delta suggests that you put on your belt while seated. I always do just for that reason. Common sense is not so common these days.
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Not sure if this is sarcasm, but mine don't have that anyways. It's all or nothing, yet people still mess around and untighten just the 2 shoulder ones.
As an AvCanada discussion grows longer:
-the probability of 'entitlement' being mentioned, approaches 1
-one will be accused of using bad airmanship
-the probability of 'entitlement' being mentioned, approaches 1
-one will be accused of using bad airmanship
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Curious: you are flying at FL320. There is moderate and severe turbulence forecasted in the area. You are trying to avoid the worst of it, but you are getting shaken around. Do you leave your shoulder harnesses unhooked?
As an AvCanada discussion grows longer:
-the probability of 'entitlement' being mentioned, approaches 1
-one will be accused of using bad airmanship
-the probability of 'entitlement' being mentioned, approaches 1
-one will be accused of using bad airmanship
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... and do you lock down your harness?
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Not sure what you mean exactly, but I wear my seatbelts/harness the same way at every time in the flight, whether I'm on short final or in cruise.
How about you answer my question now?
Curious: you are flying at FL320. There is moderate and severe turbulence forecasted in the area. You are trying to avoid the worst of it, but you are getting shaken around. Do you leave your shoulder harnesses unhooked?
As an AvCanada discussion grows longer:
-the probability of 'entitlement' being mentioned, approaches 1
-one will be accused of using bad airmanship
-the probability of 'entitlement' being mentioned, approaches 1
-one will be accused of using bad airmanship
Re: 35 people injured on AC flight.
But, the shoulder harness does nothing to keep you safe unless you're decelerating. It then holds your upper torso from tilting forward and prevents hitting your head on the glareshield, like a shoulder belt of a car helps when you have a head on collision.
The lap belt is what keeps you in the seat when vertical movement would otherwise throw you up against the roof. So... On landing, especially ditching on the Hudson, shoulder straps are great. It does nothing in cruise. Pushing negative g, you'll feel the lap belt hold your thighs and hips in the seat. Unless shoulder straps are locked, they do nothing to hold you in and even then, they don't do much in the vertical. You can lock your harness so you're immobilized but it's like being in a straight jacket and then you can't reach any switches or turn to look around. I never locked my harness when flying aerobatics, even with some decent negative g. Locking it was purely for an emergency landing.
Wear shoulder straps if you want, wear them because your couch doesn't have them (not sure what that point was) wear them because they're installed. If it's a short flight or you're single engine and might have a forced landing, sure.
But there's little purpose to them after V1 until landing. Sitting for 5 or 10 hours with those filthy straps rubbing on my shoulders serves no purpose in cruise.
The lap belt is what keeps you in the seat when vertical movement would otherwise throw you up against the roof. So... On landing, especially ditching on the Hudson, shoulder straps are great. It does nothing in cruise. Pushing negative g, you'll feel the lap belt hold your thighs and hips in the seat. Unless shoulder straps are locked, they do nothing to hold you in and even then, they don't do much in the vertical. You can lock your harness so you're immobilized but it's like being in a straight jacket and then you can't reach any switches or turn to look around. I never locked my harness when flying aerobatics, even with some decent negative g. Locking it was purely for an emergency landing.
Wear shoulder straps if you want, wear them because your couch doesn't have them (not sure what that point was) wear them because they're installed. If it's a short flight or you're single engine and might have a forced landing, sure.
But there's little purpose to them after V1 until landing. Sitting for 5 or 10 hours with those filthy straps rubbing on my shoulders serves no purpose in cruise.
Re: 35 people injured on AC flight.
If they are unlocked, do they act like a car seatbelt where they will lock if they feel a sudden deceleration?Gannet167 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:45 am But, the shoulder harness does nothing to keep you safe unless you're decelerating. It then holds your upper torso from tilting forward and prevents hitting your head on the glareshield, like a shoulder belt of a car helps when you have a head on collision.
The lap belt is what keeps you in the seat when vertical movement would otherwise throw you up against the roof. So... On landing, especially ditching on the Hudson, shoulder straps are great. It does nothing in cruise. Pushing negative g, you'll feel the lap belt hold your thighs and hips in the seat. Unless shoulder straps are locked, they do nothing to hold you in and even then, they don't do much in the vertical. You can lock your harness so you're immobilized but it's like being in a straight jacket and then you can't reach any switches or turn to look around. I never locked my harness when flying aerobatics, even with some decent negative g. Locking it was purely for an emergency landing.
Wear shoulder straps if you want, wear them because your couch doesn't have them (not sure what that point was) wear them because they're installed. If it's a short flight or you're single engine and might have a forced landing, sure.
But there's little purpose to them after V1 until landing. Sitting for 5 or 10 hours with those filthy straps rubbing on my shoulders serves no purpose in cruise.
If you don't mind, I'm curious: you are flying at FL320. There is moderate and severe turbulence forecasted in the area. You are trying to avoid the worst of it, but you are getting shaken around. Do you leave your shoulder harnesses unhooked?
As an AvCanada discussion grows longer:
-the probability of 'entitlement' being mentioned, approaches 1
-one will be accused of using bad airmanship
-the probability of 'entitlement' being mentioned, approaches 1
-one will be accused of using bad airmanship