Security Breach YYC

sprucemonkey · Post by **sprucemonkey** » Sun Sep 25, 2005 4:42 pm

Wondering what it was all about?

just curious · Post by **just curious** » Sun Sep 25, 2005 4:55 pm

Wasn't me. I won't be disturbing Calgarians for another 24 hours.

flyboeing · Post by **flyboeing** » Sun Sep 25, 2005 5:52 pm

[quote="sprucemonkey"]Wondering what it was all about?[/quote]

???????? a little more info would be great

BirdDog IV · Post by **BirdDog IV** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 9:00 am

I was there when they closed off concourse "A".
Wouldn't let peeople into the gate area from the check-in counters, as well as not letting people off aircraft that had been gated just moments before.
All that was said by police, to a group of millitary guys(sitting beside me) travelling in their civillian clothing was:"
Are those your green knap-sacks?" and
"Did you go through the security screening checkpoint?"The stoppage in screening passengers was approx 40-min. All the security staff was "sweeping " the area looking for what was supposed to be a small green knapsack or a small green package.
Some Calgary police presence, but not too much.

There was an announcement that the situation was investigated and everything was OK.

Then we resummed boarding.

Beacon Final · Post by **Beacon Final** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 11:03 am

Anyone get laid?

Localizer · Post by **Localizer** » Tue Sep 27, 2005 3:37 pm

Sorry in advance ....

Rant begins .. I can't F#$KING stand all this security BS! .. when deadheading im in uniform getting pulled out of line so they make sure im not hiding a god knows what under my belt! Asking me to remove my shoes .. even my hat! .. really .. overboard? .. or is it payback to the pilots because of all the previous times we b*tched about security. Red Pass = cleared individual. What is the difference between me presenting my pass to the guard and getting access to the air-side versus me deadheading home walking thru security. I don't get screened when im "flying the plane" why do i need to be screened to be a pax????? .. boils down to power I think .. prior to 09/11 we use to be pleasant and say good-morning .. and just walk right thru .. now .. frustration .. Rant ends ..

For your info .. no Im not one of those guys going off in the screening area uttering remarks .. I just smile .. remove what they need me to remove .. and go home!

captain_v1.0 · Post by **captain_v1.0** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 2:56 pm

No kidding

CATSA: Can you open your belt.
Me: Okay.

Now here's what I'd like to say.

Me: NO I CAN NOT! That will make it detonate early.

Rudy · Post by **Rudy** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 3:14 pm

Localizer wrote:I don't get screened when im "flying the plane" why do i need to be screened to be a pax?????

I have the opposite problem. I get screened as the pilot and my passengers don't. Anyone else get that one?

Jeromeo · Post by **Jeromeo** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 12:44 am

I hate to admit this. I am a catsa security guard at the edmonton intl. I actually went from full time to casual for flight training and to get away from all the stupidity. I completely agree with you that yes the screening procedures for crew is ridiculous. Everytime I see a pilot or other air crew member getting a random search i almost cry. Try working with some of these people for 8 to 10 hours a day. I've actually refused to check pilots bags or get one of there electronics tested as a random due to the fact that if they want to crash or destroy that plane they'll just fly that sucker into the ground. Although a majority of airport security may be on the slow side, there is a select few who are smart individuals. It's bad to be labelled an idiot by air crew and especially business men and women who travel daily by air. As for the belt opening it is mandatory that we have passengers open them up or else we get de-certified and have to be retrained and if it happens more eventually fired. I appreciate you not getting mad and yelling at the officers because you have no idea how much he/she gets in one day. If the officer wants to tell you what to do to make themself feel tough just let them after all who is probably the happier person in life? The Security guard that makes 25k/year or the captain making 100-200k/year? I apologise for the lack of common sense shared among guards. Anyways happy flying.

Phlyer · Post by **Phlyer** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 7:08 am

The thing that blows my mind with all this security is that any bad guy with half a brain would be able to bypass it with minimal effort. Look at any small airport with regional service - to get into the Dash or similar you half to have a cavity search, but go outside and walk down the fence for a while and there's probably an open gate, if not an actual break in the fence. What a joke.
I've actually seen security open up a girl's mascara and look inside for a trip from interior BC to the coast.

rigpiggy · Post by **rigpiggy** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 8:52 am

explain to me how I show my pass in YUL and I'm waved thru, but in podunk, Alta. I get a cavity search"though I'm sure I enjoyed as much as the ninny

Longtimer · Post by **Longtimer** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 9:02 am

Localizer wrote:Sorry in advance ....

Rant begins .. I can't F#$KING stand all this security BS! .. when deadheading im in uniform getting pulled out of line so they make sure im not hiding a god knows what under my belt! Asking me to remove my shoes .. even my hat! .. really .. overboard? .. or is it payback to the pilots because of all the previous times we b*tched about security. Red Pass = cleared individual. What is the difference between me presenting my pass to the guard and getting access to the air-side versus me deadheading home walking thru security. I don't get screened when im "flying the plane" why do i need to be screened to be a pax????? .. boils down to power I think .. prior to 09/11 we use to be pleasant and say good-morning .. and just walk right thru .. now .. frustration .. Rant ends ..

For your info .. no Im not one of those guys going off in the screening area uttering remarks .. I just smile .. remove what they need me to remove .. and go home!

So when does wearing a uniform make a person a non-security risk. A number of airlines including those in Canada have reported that staff have had uniforms lost / stolen. As far as the "red pass". Evidently it is not hard to alter and until retina / bio scans are in place, being checked will continue to be a fact of life.

Jeromeo · Post by **Jeromeo** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 10:34 am

Let me make things clear. If they gave you a cavity search that involves you taking off your clothes and them putting on rubber gloves and checking your anal cavity, under your testicles and god knows where else. Airport security cannot do this for 2 reasons: 1. Lack of anal lubrication and 2. We are not designated to do cavity searches. Only police are legally allowed to do a cavity search. They are hand searches and yes they are just as annoying when we do them on passengers. Trust me.

scaredpax · Post by **scaredpax** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 5:45 pm

If I may jump in with a few comments, each year I do about 10-14 flights via major cities in Canada. Never once had to remove any clothing or be touched. About 1/2 of the times my belt sets it off and they wand me and ask me to open the belt buckle.

Usually have a laptop with me and about 1/3rd of the time they do not stop it at the end of screening to run a swab/sniffer over it. Kind of lax if you ask me. All laptops should be checked. How do you tell the difference between a laptop battey and plastic explosives when it passes through the scanning machine?

I look "honest" and somewhat business-like, perhaps that makes it easier for me?

WJflyer · Post by **WJflyer** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 7:18 pm

scaredpax wrote:If I may jump in with a few comments, each year I do about 10-14 flights via major cities in Canada. Never once had to remove any clothing or be touched. About 1/2 of the times my belt sets it off and they wand me and ask me to open the belt buckle.

Usually have a laptop with me and about 1/3rd of the time they do not stop it at the end of screening to run a swab/sniffer over it. Kind of lax if you ask me. All laptops should be checked. How do you tell the difference between a laptop battey and plastic explosives when it passes through the scanning machine?

I look "honest" and somewhat business-like, perhaps that makes it easier for me?

I know that the people at YVR will ask that you take out your laptop and have it scanned seperately, but the people at YYZ are lax. They don't even bother asking if you have a laptop or not.

Localizer · Post by **Localizer** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 8:47 pm

Longtimer ..

Im not saying any old joe can't go to the local costume store or wherever and get a uniform to "try" and bypass security. What I am saying is that if we can bypass security with the red pass and not get searched at an airside access door, why not at the pax screening zones? I don't get any sort of scans, probes or what have you then (at airside access doors). If the red pass is so easily dupilcated why use it! In that case nobody should be able to bypass security. There is no fool proof way to any of this, and myself and every other pilot, flight attendant, ramp agent knows that. But we can't simply scan everyone, due to cost, man power, and there just isn't enough time. We have to assume the systems works and honour the passes until a new method is created. But .. we'll see what happens .. out

JBI · Post by **JBI** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 6:16 am

Chantal · Post by **Chantal** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 10:02 am

JBI ,
I can't find anything on this incident, would you know why it's not in the news? I did hear something about a suspicious package found where the President Fox was visiting but I guess that was just a big screw up or something eh

Localizer,
Are you saying you get checked twice one at each gate? Is it embarrassing to open your belt or what?

TFTMB heavy · Post by **TFTMB heavy** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 11:36 am

NPS just kills me, I don't need a knife or a bomb to crash the plane 'cause
I'm the one flying it!!!

I hate standing there in uniform in front of everyone in the terminal to get screened, is it supposed to make all the passengers feel better? Plus, about half the time they hit me in the crotch with the wand, must turn them on or something.

It seems like things are out of control in certain airports, not very consistent from one place to another.

bcflyer · Post by **bcflyer** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 7:16 pm

I have a question that Jeromeo might be able to answer. Why are some people (agents, cleaners maintence guys etc) just waved through security without being screened. Are they not considered a risk. I'm a pilot and if I really wanted to get something through I would just give it to one of them. As well are the caterers, fuelers, groomers screened anywhere? Lots of loopholes if someone really wanted to exploit them. Meanwhile the people that are already on the pointy end of the locked bulletproof door (and with higher security clearance than some of the above mentioned group I might add) are being treated like criminals. (not all airports but there are a few out there that are over the top)

metal overcast · Post by **metal overcast** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 4:09 am

The screening of pilots is one thing and one thing alone. A SHOW FOR THE PUBLIC!
If they were so concerned about safety every person going to the secure side would be checked. I can assure you they are not!
It is all for the public people

Canus Chinookus · Post by **Canus Chinookus** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 6:30 am

I see people who LOOK like CSA's getting waved through without even a glance at their red pass, in some places I see crews waved through with just a glance at the expiry date of the red pass. It's frikkin pathetic, there is no security. If I was a terrorist, I'd get a job throwing bags at an international airport in canada.

Jeromeo · Post by **Jeromeo** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 1:01 pm

Alright as for the CSA's, custodians and ramp agents and such. They are all subject to screening if they come through the pre-board screening checkpoint. Red Pass or not. They can choose to go through the security By-pass if they hold a red pass. But, there is a chance they will be selected for NPS (non passenger screening). The only people who are legally allowed to come through the pre-board screeing checkpoint without being searched are the on duty emergency personnel such as Police or paramedics who are responding to an emergency. The CSA's do not go through without being checked period. And if they do that's considered a security breach. If your airport is allowing people through the checkpoint without being searched then you should notify someone. Someone brought up the point of laptops and how YYZ does not ask for them out of the bags. That is something that should be brought up. All laptops should be removed from bags due to the fact that it's too dense to be screened inside the bag. Bring that up with Transport Canada at YYZ. To be completely honest I do not think security measures will be getting less strict any time soon so what I suggest is you suck it up for the 5 minutes you are at the screening point and carry on with your life.If it makes you feel any better. At YEG even catsa guards get chosen for NPS when we go through bypass and if we choose to enter through the pre board screening checkpoint we must be screened as well red pass or not. And yes we have to open our belts as well.

Blakey · Post by **Blakey** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 1:19 pm

As with most things, it's even dumber in the US. US airline crews can take training to certify them to carrying handguns while on duty. When they go through security, the screener has them put the handgun through the X-ray machine, has the crew walk through the metal detector then hands them back the handgun!

During the gulf war, I had the screener query my carrying a survival knife when I was boarding my aircraft that was loaded with 500lb bombs and my own, loaded, machine gun.

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