Navair back in the air??

marktheone · Post by **marktheone** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 5:29 pm

Do any westcoasters know the story on Navair? Are they back? Most of their planes are not here but they could be on the island.

Mildly curious.

altiplano · Post by **altiplano** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 7:10 pm

marktheone · Post by **marktheone** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 8:08 pm

Ok, thanks.

Over the Horn · Post by **Over the Horn** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 11:11 am

just when you thought TC had done us all a favor they let them fly again sh@#$y deal.

altiplano · Post by **altiplano** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 5:25 pm

All the negative crap is really wearing thin

Take a bit of your own advice...

ramp_monkey · Post by **ramp_monkey** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 5:47 pm

still flying the metro? Was told it was comming to calgary?

FlowPack · Post by **FlowPack** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 9:51 pm

Rumour has it Dynamic got the bag run back, even looking to get their little hands on a metro...of course this is hear-say

2low · Post by **2low** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 8:03 am

greenwich · Post by **greenwich** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 8:59 am

TooLow_Flaps wrote:They are done. Believe it! Not a chance of going out to Calgary ever again. They can't get away with the kind of stuff they do out west. The Metro pilots are putting in shifts doing maintenance.

Please tell me U are kidding!!

G

Jet Dog · Post by **Jet Dog** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:18 am

I wouldn't let a pilot change the oil in my Yugo, lol

marktheone · Post by **marktheone** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:24 am

Who's dynamic??

broompusher · Post by **broompusher** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 11:51 am

Mark,

Dynamic Flight Service out of CYYC. They had the Alberta bag run before NavAir went out there.

http://www.pilotcareercenter.com/JobRes ... lineID=152

. . · Post by **. .** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 2:47 pm

If all this stuff about NavAir is actually true I can't fathom how it's alright to do this on the west coast, but not YYC. It's wrong in YYZ, it would be wrong in YYZ, or YZF.

cue Cat Driver anti-TC propaganda machine.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 3:12 pm

" cue Cat Driver anti-TC propaganda machine. "

Endless, you have me all wrong, I'm not anti TC.

I'm against the way TC operates with no continuity between regions.

Each region is a fifedom that is run by a select few, several who think they are above the law.

Transport Canada is a Federal entity that should regulate exactly the same regardless of region.

Unfortunately it does not work that way in practice.

Now lets just for the sake of conversation pretend that Company A can operate in Region A for years with no noticeable interfeence from TC in region A...

...Then the same company moves the same aircraft to another region and suddenly there are issues that result in the grounding of said aircraft.

Can anyone opine on what in hell is wrong?

This of course is only just a lets suppose discussion, and not necessarily connected to the Navair discussion.

Cat

. . · Post by **. .** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 4:06 pm

Cat I do totally agree with you on this point. I'd dare say it even depends on which office within a certain region. I've found that even different offices within a single region have very different ways of enforcing the same regs.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 5:37 pm

Yes, that is exactly how it works.

But the real problem is should you have a problem with any decision, action that you feel is unjust and appeal to Ottawa for a reversal of said decision, action the person in power in Ottawa will side with the region and their decision, action.

Even if the decision, action in said region is unlawful.

And that is where I have my dissatisfaction with the way the regulator regulates their own.

Cat

greenwich · Post by **greenwich** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 9:11 am

Cat Driver wrote:Transport Canada is a Federal entity that should regulate exactly the same regardless of region.

Now lets just for the sake of conversation pretend that Company A can operate in Region A for years with no noticeable interfeence from TC in region A...

...Then the same company moves the same aircraft to another region and suddenly there are issues that result in the grounding of said aircraft.
Cat

Cat...once again you are so right!!

One of our A/C was sent on a long-term charter (with crew) to an operator in a different province. This operator had a sched-run that it had been flying for years with the exact type of A/C that we were sending out to them.

Our TC guy grounded our A/C because of issues like 'balance field length', 'single engine climb', etc. It was insane. The other operator had been doing this sched for years with approval from their TC guy...yet our TC guy wouldn't allow us to do the exact same route witht the exact same A/C?!?!?

fawked!!

G

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 10:09 am

greenwich :

Its known as selective interpertation of CAR's to allow any inspector to rule in any manner that fits his agenda at any given time.

When I was working with Australias CASA the inspector that I was working with related his fears to me about this very problem. CASA was in the process of changing their regulations to mirror Canadian CARS and they had several of Canadas top people over there giving them suggestions on how to write their new regulations.

The CASA guys fear was that Austrailia would be burdened with a nightmare exactly like Canadian CARS's, regulations written to protect the Government that have so many loopholes that even the most corrupt of officials can with impunity hide behind their interpertation of said regulations.

I have had the misery of dealing directly with the head of TC M&M in Ottawa. Words cannot describe the frustration and waste of time it is trying to get any resolution out of him, as soon as he recognized there was a genuine problem in the Pacific Region he washed his hands of the whole mess and sent my file right back to the Pacific Region, so I was double f.cked.

I have no idea what the answer is now, except to suggest that when you suspect you are dealing with a corrupt official working under corrupt management you find a method to buy them off...

...then things will be easier for you to operate.

Sort of like Africa, except our officials do not have the excuse of poverty to hide behind.

Cat

2low · Post by **2low** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 5:39 pm

Another hi-jacked thread!

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 6:22 pm

" Another hi-jacked thread! "

What in hell are you talking about TooLow_ Flaps.

The subject was Navair being grounded by TC...or did Navair ground their own airplanes.?

I'm having difficulty figuring out just exactly what you think happened?

Mitch Cronin · Post by **Mitch Cronin** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 6:42 am

edited for stupidity