cloak wrote: ↑Tue Oct 08, 2019 7:01 am
altiplano wrote: ↑Thu Oct 03, 2019 10:40 am
...And AC Pilots showed up in solidarity and support with our Westjet colleagues when they too were being railroaded by their employer....
You seem to be suggesting that ACPA is a benevolent organisation charging itself with improving the futures and fortunes of pilots in this country. Then, why has it allowed such travesty that is a four year probationary pay at the flag carrier? Why has it not done anything to change it, make declarations, ask other pilots to join at Air Canada AGM for a march? What can it do for others, that it hasn't done for its own members?!
Allow it? The Harper Government imposed it... and a whole lot more. I'm not defending it, but get your fact straight. We've managed to make a big improvement on the new pension on the last reopener, plus get pay guarantees before that. Tough to get it all at once. The pension was priority for the NC/MEC it seems.
That's the other thing, now that guys have a fully tax shielded & matched pension contribution above CRA RRSP limits, plus 100% employer paid benefits, I understand guys are taking home more first year pay at AC than what they were year 5,6,7 even at your favourite airline. I see a lot from that group joining us almost every month so it can't be all that bad, despite the ONE metric you like to bring up. You need to look at your own house... you always seem to ignore the fact that AC has the best overall contract and the highest pay rates overall in the country. And yet you point fingers at us. It's difficult to forge ahead when you have to fight off all the shit comparators you're exposed to. Believe it or not, and I can't, but arbitrators are loathe to look at DL/UA/AA/SW as our comparators and we get stuck with WS/TS holding us back.
Looking at history, most people were stuck as an RP or EMJ FO during those slow times when 4 year flat first rolled out, plus it replaced an even worse 2 year flat pay, it was actually a slight raise for all but the few that could get to 320 FO in year 3 or 4. But AC certainly saw the future and it's worse now that guys are getting 777 or whatever in their 2nd year. That was a dream 5 years ago.
Anyway. ACPA has done poorly on much there is no doubt - but you can't just magically get everything back. Plus we're banned from labour action under the federal PASA law and our own ridiculous 10 year MOA from a guy that was basically colluding with management.
We'll see how next year's opener goes... or maybe we blow up the whole contract with Transat joining us. I'm certainly thinking about what we can do better here, so why don't you stop licking your balls and take a look at what else you can do for yourself? That's how pattern bargaining succeeds... we're beating you right now, then you get ahead of us, then we get ahead of you on our next go. That's how we succeed, together... right now AC is on it's own out front.