Air Canada staff will no longer greet 'ladies and gentlemen' onboard planes

[daedalusx]

As an AC pilot ( Captain) , I will continue to make the PA's using the term " Ladies and Gentlemen". Then again, I greet people with a "Merry Christmas " and also " Happy Easter" when celebrating those holidays. I also wear a poppy proudly. I cannot remember one negative comment from the crew or passengers when addressed as such.
Cheers.

Sounds some bigots here needs to be sent to be forcefully sent to re-education camp... where intolerance will not be tolerated

[goingnowherefast]

I'll call you whatever you want to be called. As long as you behave and follow crew instructions. I'm not at all concerned about what anatomy you have or you wish you had.

[CpnCrunch]

Slavery, Jim Crow segregation - all Democrat supported/enacted laws.

Facts and reality mean nothing to a lefty.

The democratic party was right-wing at that time, and the republican party was more left wing. Hence the reason the Democrats supported slavery and the republicans worked to abolish it. Despicable stuff, I'm sure you'd agree.

[Zaibatsu]

coloured signs on drinking fountains

Slavery, Jim Crow segregation - all Democrat supported/enacted laws.

That’s great. Do you want a cookie. Not once did I mention the Democratic Party.

But if you think the Democratic Party has always been left wing and the Republican Party right wing, here’s some history lessons.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid_South

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

[Capt. Underpants]

Personally I'm glad we "gave in" to those people who wanted to give women the vote, or allow same-sex marriages, and any other number of "concessions" to other people's "feelings". It says a lot about the people who consider this a battle that must not be conceded.

+1. It's also interesting that many of these same folks would lose their minds if someone would dare make the disrespectful suggestion that pilots are nothing more than overpaid bus drivers.

[altiplano]

coloured signs on drinking fountains

Slavery, Jim Crow segregation - all Democrat supported/enacted laws.

That’s great. Do you want a cookie. Not once did I mention the Democratic Party.

But if you think the Democratic Party has always been left wing and the Republican Party right wing, here’s some history lessons.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid_South

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

You're the one spelling "colored" wrong... and bringing up ridiculous comparisons.

[rookiepilot]

As an AC pilot ( Captain) , I will continue to make the PA's using the term " Ladies and Gentlemen". Then again, I greet people with a "Merry Christmas " and also " Happy Easter" when celebrating those holidays. I also wear a poppy proudly. I cannot remember one negative comment from the crew or passengers when addressed as such.
Cheers.

Sounds some bigots here needs to be sent to be forcefully sent to re-education camp...

The left playbook.

Label anyone who doesn't agree with them, about anything, bigot, homophobe, racist, whatever.

[altiplano]

There is nothing wrong with saying ladies and gentlemen.

It might not be envogue with the woke PC bunch but it's a straight up classic. If you're offended, I wasn't talking to you, have a nice day and call yourself whatever you want.

[Squaretail]

The left playbook.

Label anyone who doesn't agree with them, about anything, bigot, homophobe, racist, whatever.

And the right's playbook is to label anyone who disagrees with them a communist, socialist, regressive, tree-hugging, snowflake, SJW, whatever.

So where does that leave us? Strictly speaking, the old terms of right and left hardly apply anymore. People belive what they want to believe and have become increasingly entrenched. FWIW, I find that I'm probably the most "left" minded person in, well, my entire world and I don't find that these naming conventions are brought up at all in any of the "left" circles. I mean I go to all the meetings and everything. I note however, that the other side of that argument (I won't call them right-wing since they don't like that) frequently manages to ferret out blogs or any articles of this sort which seems to take up a lot of their time and concern.

[C.W.E.]

that pilots are nothing more than overpaid bus drivers.

Well for sure a lot of bus drivers make more than some pilots.

As to the difficulty of operating an airplane it is somewhat more complex and does operate in a different enviorement than machines that are land bound.

But it is really not all that difficult to fly an airplane and as long as you are healthy and have normal mechanical ability you qualify to become a pilot.

[rookiepilot]

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The left playbook.

Label anyone who doesn't agree with them, about anything, bigot, homophobe, racist, whatever.

And the right's playbook is to label anyone who disagrees with them a communist, socialist, regressive, tree-hugging, snowflake, SJW, whatever.

True. Maybe some. I prefer to focus on policy. And I like trees......

It's interesting though in recent days. As Trudeau's campaign has unwound through repeated hypocrisy, his message has changed, shrieking, "don't elect the (bigoted) conservatives"! "Don't elect the hidden agenda". "You must stop them". "They're homophobic!!! "

Oh, the hysteria.

Fear mongering, again.

[CpnCrunch]

It's interesting though in recent days. As Trudeau's campaign has unwound through repeated hypocrisy, his message has changed, shrieking, "don't elect the (bigoted) conservatives"! "Don't elect the hidden agenda". "You must stop them". "They're homophobic!!! "

Oh, the hysteria.

Fear mongering, again.

Those aren't examples of hypocrisy. This might be though:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UITG7CqCbys

[rookiepilot]

It's interesting though in recent days. As Trudeau's campaign has unwound through repeated hypocrisy, his message has changed, shrieking, "don't elect the (bigoted) conservatives"! "Don't elect the hidden agenda". "You must stop them". "They're homophobic!!! "

Oh, the hysteria.

Fear mongering, again.

Those aren't examples of hypocrisy. This might be though:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UITG7CqCbys

This is better.
https://globalnews.ca/news/5922861/just ... ace-video/

Of course, when the right does this, it's horribly racist. For Trudeau? It was due to my "privilege" and something "we all make mistakes when we're young"

[dashtrash1]

It doesn't really bother me how I greet people aboard the airplane. If it makes a few people feel a bit more welcome, then why not?

[fixnfly]

I think it's great to be inclusive and I applaud their desire to be progressive but I really do think they're going too far. Ladies and Gentleman sounds classier & more professional. Hey Everybody just sounds way too casual and informal. Reminds me of this guy.

[Capt. Underpants]

Mind boggling. With all of the challenges we have in this world, this seems like a ridiculously stupid hill to die on.

[Victory]

Who exactly does ladies and gentlemen exclude? If you are a transgender woman would you not want to be called lady? Same for a transgender man. Please someone fill me in since I think I'm getting old and out of touch with society.

[schnitzel2k3]

Who exactly does ladies and gentlemen exclude? If you are a transgender woman would you not want to be called lady? Same for a transgender man. Please someone fill me in since I think I'm getting old and out of touch with society.

I think we're all rather confused, fortunately not as confused as Air Canada managment regarding this change though.

*shaking head*

S.

[altiplano]

I'm not the best with reading all the fluff the company puts out either...

But I haven't seen squat on directives from anyone at the company telling me what I have to say or not say.

I've only seen a new story...

Perhaps someone more interested in it all than me can post the bulletin# for reference.

[dashtrash1]

No flight ops bulletins yet...apparently in flight have had one come out, but I haven't seen it personally.

Victory, a small percentage of the population identify as "non-binary"..personally, I'm not in the know enough to explain it.

I don't believe in changing specific laws to force people to use certain pronouns, etc, as that opens an entirely different can of worms..but if it helps a small percentage of people through their day, why not? A little empathy goes a long way.

It sounds kinda awkward, and maybe it's not very grammatically correct..but if the company wants me to say it on the PA, that's fine.

[Victory]

Victory, a small percentage of the population identify as "non-binary"..personally, I'm not in the know enough to explain it.

Thank you. I've googled it and am now up on non-binary and genderqueer peoples. Now I get what the Q stands for in LGBTQ2 stands for. Don't ask me about the 2 though.

[NovaBoy]

“Good morning folks” covers it all. Making mountains out of mole hills. Fact of the matter is, in this day and age there are very few ladies and gentlemen travelling anymore.

[photofly]

Victory, a small percentage of the population identify as "non-binary"..personally, I'm not in the know enough to explain it.

Thank you. I've googled it and am now up on non-binary and genderqueer peoples. Now I get what the Q stands for in LGBTQ2 stands for. Don't ask me about the 2 though.

Two spirits.

[AirFrame]

The last few times i've flown commercially it's been apparent that there are a scant few "ladies" or "gentlemen" passengers on the flights anyway.

Mind you, with some of the comments on this thread, it seems there are scant few in the cockpit either.

[altiplano]

People certainly have a right to an opinion AirFrame, just because they don't agree with whatever yours is, doesn't make them uncouth.

People might feel this way or that way, or another way as far as their expression goes. That's the great thing about where we live, they can, you be you.

But is it not true that everyone was born with either one or the other? Or possibly has/is trying get one or the other.

People may feel like anything their imagination desires, and that's their thing, they are entitled to it, and good for them.

But biologically we're all just vaginas and penises and it seems ladies and gentlemen is just a friendlier way to put it which is long rooted in our language. Having problems with how someone greets a large group of people on an announcement that most don't even listen to is ridiculous.

Why aren't advocates for PC culture in the West taking action dealing with countries where there are actual real human rights problems? Like countries where LGBT = a death sentence? Instead we nitpick the places with the most progressive policies and cultures in the world.

Standing by for next virtue project on land acknowledgments for take off, over fly, and landing.