I don't think people are faulting them for not switching to the correct frequency, but it does imply that they landed without having received a landing clearance (even though it was issued). Landing without a clearance would be a more serious mistake. A mistake a lot of pilots have never made I'd say.Big Pistons Forever wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 7:28 am Personally I think only pilots who never ever missed a frequency change in their whole flying career should be criticizing this crew.......
Air Canada and SFO - Part III
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As an AvCanada discussion grows longer:
-the probability of 'entitlement' being mentioned, approaches 1
-one will be accused of using bad airmanship
-the probability of 'entitlement' being mentioned, approaches 1
-one will be accused of using bad airmanship
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We are talking about a two crew airline operation here Big Pistons.Personally I think only pilots who never ever missed a frequency change in their whole flying career should be criticizing this crew.......
I can comment on this having thousands of hours as PIC in airline flying.....
Of course I can understand those who have no experience in that field being reluctant to comment.
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As chief pilot or just a line Captain?Which airline?
To save time I have been both.
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Greed isn't confined to the executive suite.
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You must be the only one with that level of experience.C.W.E. wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 8:16 amWe are talking about a two crew airline operation here Big Pistons.Personally I think only pilots who never ever missed a frequency change in their whole flying career should be criticizing this crew.......
I can comment on this having thousands of hours as PIC in airline flying.....
Of course I can understand those who have no experience in that field being reluctant to comment.
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Chief Pilot at an airline! Impressive.
To repeat the question, Which airline?
Accident speculation:
Those that post don’t know. Those that know don’t post
Those that post don’t know. Those that know don’t post
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There is nothing impressive about it.Chief Pilot at an airline! Impressive.
It is just another approval process one passes with the regulator.
Airwest Airlines Vancouver B.C. 1974/75.To repeat the question, Which airline?
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Yes, we operated them VFR and IFR .So Twin Otters on floats?
Being able to fly on centre stored flight plans with two pilots in IMC weather made it much more safe.
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Airwest Airlines.....Vancouver......merged into Air B.C....later merged with other regionals to become Jazz.....you could have stayed on and become an Air Canada pilot via the PML.....and with no max age limit, you could be on A320's into SFO. What a waste of an opportunity ..
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Anyone familiar with SOP's on the 320 at AC? Is there a something to use as a memory aid for landing clearance? Taxi light or something else?
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Sometimes it can be helpful to come up with your own reminder. Maybe as one descends through 2000', they could add a bit to the end of their checklist and say....'Landing No Blue - Cleared to Land(or landing Clearance to Go)'.GoinVertical wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 12:15 pm Anyone familiar with SOP's on the 320 at AC? Is there a something to use as a memory aid for landing clearance? Taxi light or something else?
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That is true, however airline flying is to much like paint by numbers flying and I found it boring.Airwest Airlines.....Vancouver......merged into Air B.C....later merged with other regionals to become Jazz.....you could have stayed on and become an Air Canada pilot via the PML.....and with no max age limit, you could be on A320's into SFO. What a waste of an opportunity ..
So I flew in other kinds of flying such as aerial application both fixed and rotary wing and then fire suppression and then the airdisplay circuit in Europe and then flying for French TV in Africa and finally I flew for Merimax movies which was the best paying by far..
Looking back I would not have changed anything.
As to age limit that was only determined by when I chose to retire which I did at the age of seventy, because having flown for over fifty years for a living I decided that was enough.
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For my own curiosity - does Air Canada operate the RMPs with SEL light On or OFF?
I've always flown with SEL light OFF - my company has recently changed to SEL light ON - going to cause some problems imho.
I've always flown with SEL light OFF - my company has recently changed to SEL light ON - going to cause some problems imho.
Always fly a stable approach - it's the only stability you'll find in this business
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You’re forgetting the Airbus SIM!C.W.E. wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:15 pmThat is true, however airline flying is to much like paint by numbers flying and I found it boring.Airwest Airlines.....Vancouver......merged into Air B.C....later merged with other regionals to become Jazz.....you could have stayed on and become an Air Canada pilot via the PML.....and with no max age limit, you could be on A320's into SFO. What a waste of an opportunity ..
So I flew in other kinds of flying such as aerial application both fixed and rotary wing and then fire suppression and then the airdisplay circuit in Europe and then flying for French TV in Africa and finally I flew for Merimax movies which was the best paying by far..
Looking back I would not have changed anything.
As to age limit that was only determined by when I chose to retire which I did at the age of seventy, because having flown for over fifty years for a living I decided that was enough.
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Probably were well beyond the point of diminishing returns.You’d think flying so much one would be at the top of their game.
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SEL light OFF is SOP. FO reaches around the thrust levers to operate the Capt’s RMP to tune VHF1/HF1.Eric Janson wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:13 pm For my own curiosity - does Air Canada operate the RMPs with SEL light On or OFF?
I've always flown with SEL light OFF - my company has recently changed to SEL light ON - going to cause some problems imho.
Yes. T/O light ON when landing clearance received. (Runway turn off light ON when approach clearance received)(ironically, Landing lights ON when takeoff clearance received. So Ldg light means cleared for takeoff, T/O light means cleared to land!)GoinVertical wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 12:15 pm Anyone familiar with SOP's on the 320 at AC? Is there a something to use as a memory aid for landing clearance? Taxi light or something else?
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Thanks AOW - that makes it harder to accidentally de-select the active frequency imho.AOW wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 8:37 pmSEL light OFF is SOP. FO reaches around the thrust levers to operate the Capt’s RMP to tune VHF1/HF1.Eric Janson wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:13 pm For my own curiosity - does Air Canada operate the RMPs with SEL light On or OFF?
I've always flown with SEL light OFF - my company has recently changed to SEL light ON - going to cause some problems imho.
Always fly a stable approach - it's the only stability you'll find in this business