What a sad way for everyone to have to start the day.
Somehow when someone dies flying for a living it just hurts more than one would expect.
Of course the real reason is because we can in our own minds live those last few desperate moments that these poor young pilots struggle to get down safe.
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Commuter plane crash in Winnipeg?
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A bit of an update on the Canada.com site.
There is a statement from MorningStar on Canada.com
There is a statement from MorningStar on Canada.com
The Cessna was owned by Morningstar Air Express of Edmonton and was under contract to Federal Express, said Morningstar spokesman Don Boettcher.
The fully loaded, single-engine turboprop plane crashed while it "appeared to be attempting to return to the Winnipeg airport," Boettcher said.
Boettcher could release few details about the pilot.
"She'd been with us for about five years now," he said.
The plane dated from the early 1990s.
A sad day indeed. Godspeed to her.
A note to those who knew her, please give people the opportunity to notify her family before announcing her name to the masses. I'm certain they would rather find out through the proper channels than through some offhand comment or remark. This means you, fly girl 05.
Heartfelt condolences to her family.
A note to those who knew her, please give people the opportunity to notify her family before announcing her name to the masses. I'm certain they would rather find out through the proper channels than through some offhand comment or remark. This means you, fly girl 05.
Heartfelt condolences to her family.
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De-Icing in Snow showers
I am not making any accusations or attempting to solve what happened this morning, but there is two things I have to say.
1) I never flew a C208. My question is this: how do you asses that the wings are clear of any contaminants on/just before the T/O roll?
2)Also, it is my opinion, through my years of flying commuters, that many exprienced pilots tend to feel safe when they have been de-iced. It is a false feeling just like the false feeling that if a plane takes off, it will fly...(ground effect)
Many forget that de-ice fluid works best if heated and when there isn't too much precip(ex: snow or ice pelletets/FZRN). If those conditions aren't met, might as well cancel the flight and live one more day to talk about other close calls...
A little anecdote: At one company I worked at, a B1900 attempted and rejected a T/O twice (after being de-iced both times) in snow showers because the snow would fall on the de-ice fluid and would create a thick slushy substance that would stick nicely on the wings. Even though the snow would stick on the wings in the first place, the slush that the de-ice fluid created would be just as bad, if not worse, than just the snow itself (Flights ended up being cancelled that day because of that)
my 2 cents
Cheers
1) I never flew a C208. My question is this: how do you asses that the wings are clear of any contaminants on/just before the T/O roll?
2)Also, it is my opinion, through my years of flying commuters, that many exprienced pilots tend to feel safe when they have been de-iced. It is a false feeling just like the false feeling that if a plane takes off, it will fly...(ground effect)
Many forget that de-ice fluid works best if heated and when there isn't too much precip(ex: snow or ice pelletets/FZRN). If those conditions aren't met, might as well cancel the flight and live one more day to talk about other close calls...
A little anecdote: At one company I worked at, a B1900 attempted and rejected a T/O twice (after being de-iced both times) in snow showers because the snow would fall on the de-ice fluid and would create a thick slushy substance that would stick nicely on the wings. Even though the snow would stick on the wings in the first place, the slush that the de-ice fluid created would be just as bad, if not worse, than just the snow itself (Flights ended up being cancelled that day because of that)
my 2 cents
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Sounded like a real professional right to the end. What a tragedy, condolences. 
Aviation- the hardest way possible to make an easy living!
"You can bomb the world to pieces, but you can't bomb it into peace!" Michael Franti- Spearhead
"Trust everyone, but cut the cards". My Grandma.
"You can bomb the world to pieces, but you can't bomb it into peace!" Michael Franti- Spearhead
"Trust everyone, but cut the cards". My Grandma.
My condolences also to the family of the pilot. Blue skies.
Courage is the price that life exacts for granting peace. The soul that knows it not,knows no release from the little things; knows not the livid loneliness of fear, nor mountain heights where bitter joy can hear the sound of wings.
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Icing is nasty, we all know that. BUT one thing some of us do not realize is that, it can be O.K. condition where you are and only 10 miles away someone else could be in moderate to severe conditions and in big trouble.
My thoughts go out to the family and friends.
....sad day.
My thoughts go out to the family and friends.
....sad day.
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Try waiting until TSB has their initial findings before trotting out your pet theories.
JC
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Try waiting until TSB has their initial findings before trotting out your pet theories.
JC
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Putting money into aviation is like wiping before you poop....it just don't make sense!
