Companies Laying off.

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Float operators not immune either. Atleo in tofino shut down (temp) and wilderness seaplanes in port hardy is damn near. Layoffs for both obviously
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Oxi wrote: Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:30 pm
Zaibatsu wrote: Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:13 pm Air Canada

https://www.citynews1130.com/2020/03/19 ... -covid-19/

Doesn’t say pilots but how could it not with those numbers.
Because its not the pilots
I see that now but what are the pilots going to do? Fly positioning and test flights with no FAs? They aren’t going to sit at home and collect pay forever.
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Do you have any idea how many flight attendants A/C has? There will be plenty of F/A’s left to do the flying. No need to fly around empty. Think before you post.
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bcflyer wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 12:16 pm Do you have any idea how many flight attendants A/C has? There will be plenty of F/A’s left to do the flying. No need to fly around empty. Think before you post.
No, I have no idea.

But you don’t need to know with words like this:
That represents about half of the 10,000 crew members currently employed at Air Canada and Air Canada Rouge.
all 1,549 of its members who work for the airline's Rouge subsidiary
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ ... -1.5504051
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So if you knew there would be approx 5000 F/A’s left why would you post this?
Zaibatsu wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 11:52 am
I see that now but what are the pilots going to do? Fly positioning and test flights with no FAs? They aren’t going to sit at home and collect pay forever.
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Well with an 80% schedule cut, despite all the cost and complexity of the training/retraining/equipment move costs for your most valuable and expensive employee group, at some point you reach that number, where it does in fact save money to do some layoffs. I have no idea what it is and won't speculate. But I would be very impressed, and surprised if there aren't, at a minimum reduced blocks at AC.
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Air Canada's war chest is to save Air Canada .. not the pilots. Layoffs will come .. inevitable.
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Air Transat has laid off all it's flight attendants but not the pilots (so far).
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Daniel Cooper wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:04 pm Air Transat has laid off all it's flight attendants but not the pilots (so far).
Do you have a source?

Sky just released out of 284 pilots they only will keep 127. Ouch.....
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A summary from the other posts and other sources as an overview
Layoffs:

Sunwing
Porter
Thunder
Wasaya
PasCo
Pascan
Moncton Flight College - Moncton and Fredericton closed
PASCO
Perimeter
Sky Regional
Atleo
Wilderness Seaplanes
Air Sprint
Fast Air


Permanent closures:

Compass
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From a private flyer, to all you in the industry affected, I sincerely hope this shutdown is short and sharp, and people quickly return to travelling again as they isolate this virus and find solutions.

There are a lot of very smart people working 24/7 on solutions on the treatment side and vaccine side as well.

I do believe we will get this under control, from my study of past outbreaks.
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All Transat pilots from April 19th onward.
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Turboprops wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 10:28 am Perimeter
Where did you hear Perimeter was doing layoffs? Couple guys there I've talked to haven't heard anything about it.
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FL320 wrote: Thu Mar 19, 2020 4:18 pm
Every pilot at 65h until May and no layoffs.
New hires will continue the GS and get their PPC.
gustind wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 6:07 pm All Transat pilots from April 19th onward.
so which info is correct ?
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Company didn't sign the new LOU. Flights now only going till April 1st.
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iflyroads wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 6:48 pm Company didn't sign the new LOU. Flights now only going till April 1st.
What company does this refer to? Transat?
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bbingham wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 6:32 pm
Turboprops wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 10:28 am Perimeter
Where did you hear Perimeter was doing layoffs? Couple guys there I've talked to haven't heard anything about it.
Probably safer to get Covid-19 than to get on an aging Metroliner...
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timeflies wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 6:34 pm
FL320 wrote: Thu Mar 19, 2020 4:18 pm
Every pilot at 65h until May and no layoffs.
New hires will continue the GS and get their PPC.
gustind wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 6:07 pm All Transat pilots from April 19th onward.
so which info is correct ?
This one: All Transat pilots will be layoff from April 19th onward.
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iamthecaptainnow13 wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 7:01 pm
iflyroads wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 6:48 pm Company didn't sign the new LOU. Flights now only going till April 1st.
What company does this refer to? Transat?

Whoops. Sorry, yes Transat
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bbingham wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 6:32 pm
Turboprops wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 10:28 am Perimeter
Where did you hear Perimeter was doing layoffs? Couple guys there I've talked to haven't heard anything about it.
Me, got a call this morning.
They're starting with all the new hire in training (me), probably going to the junior pilots soon
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Turboprops wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 7:22 pm
bbingham wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 6:32 pm
Turboprops wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 10:28 am Perimeter
Where did you hear Perimeter was doing layoffs? Couple guys there I've talked to haven't heard anything about it.
Me, got a call this morning.
They're starting with all the new hire in training (me), probably going to the junior pilots soon
Sounds like more of a hiring freeze than layoffs. Probably nitpicking things a little bit but there's a bit of a difference.
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bbingham wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 7:27 pm
Turboprops wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 7:22 pm
bbingham wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 6:32 pm

Where did you hear Perimeter was doing layoffs? Couple guys there I've talked to haven't heard anything about it.
Me, got a call this morning.
They're starting with all the new hire in training (me), probably going to the junior pilots soon
Sounds like more of a hiring freeze than layoffs. Probably nitpicking things a little bit but there's a bit of a difference.
Wouldn't hiring freeze mean they stop hiring "new" pilots?
or i guess you can call this a hiring freeze plus firing pilots in training, i don't know if that counts as lay off but me and a few others are out of jobs now
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I wouldn't worry about companies laying off. This virus will pretty much be the end of aviation as we know it. This virus is expanding exponentially and will kill off any remaining airlines. It's just a matter of time. Anyone who thinks this matter will go away in three to four months is out of touch with reality.
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Redwine wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 9:23 pm I wouldn't worry about companies laying off. This virus will pretty much be the end of aviation as we know it. This virus is expanding exponentially and will kill off any remaining airlines. It's just a matter of time. Anyone who thinks this matter will go away in three to four months is out of touch with reality.
The current rate of doubling is ~ 4 days. Assuming 100% transmission (unlikely), the virus would infect nearly the entire Canadian population in 45-60 days, and the American population a little bit longer. There's still a lot we don't know about this virus, but your useless fear mongering isn't helping.
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