It’s not.
Let me take a look.
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Ask your reps a question like this, not an anonymous forum. Move on from your rather blatant attempt to stir the pot.
Oh I love a good chuckle. Thanks for that.thrust set wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 1:10 pm But wait !!!! Everyone STOP and take a deep breath, I was reading the AC pilot forum and there are a couple pilots that said we signed the MOU too fast.
We could have asked for more .
I know, shit we could have asked for a raise
Didn't we?thrust set wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 1:10 pm But wait !!!! Everyone STOP and take a deep breath, I was reading the AC pilot forum and there are a couple pilots that said we signed the MOU too fast.
We could have asked for more .
I know, shit we could have asked for a raise
Get a hold of someone at ACPA. They will get you the info you seek. It will also keep you on their radar. Call head office and ask who you should speak to. That way you are bugging ACPA, the organization you will eventually be paying to represent you, rather than HR.Liftvsdrag wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 12:17 pm Quick question regarding the guys and girls that got their GS cancelled a couple days prior to their official start date.
Would we get called back in order of seniority or is it too bad so sad, start from scratch?
A lot of us (all?) didn't get taken back from our old employer and now at every interview the question of why we left our previous job will have to be answered by "well I was supposed to start at AC" ... It tells a potential employer that we could leave the moment AC hires again and therefor would think twice about hiring us.
At least someone who officially got hired knows she/he, at some point, will get hired back and it's a matter of time. For us... Most companies wouldn't take us because they would be afraid we would leave quickly (and it's totally understandable)and we don't even know if AC would take us back at the end. I know quite a few from this groundschool and a lot are nervous and don't want to bother HR as they are probably very busy. So if anybody here knows either N or J and could either reply here or send me a PM, that would be greatly appreciated and I would share the info.
Good luck to everyone getting layed off, stay safe and hopefully this nightmare will end before next spring.
Wondering why legal action should be the answer here?
Why do some seem to think the “old boys” owe it to others to retire? Most, if not all, have been furloughed during previous downturns, many more than once. They stuck it out and are now at the top of the pile. I’d say they’ve earned the right to stay if desired.
No one owes anything to anyone.TT1900 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 6:06 pmWhy do some seem to think the “old boys” owe it to others to retire? Most, if not all, have been furloughed during previous downturns, many more than once. They stuck it out and are now at the top of the pile. I’d say they’ve earned the right to stay if desired.
I took the package for all of the reasons mentioned above plus two others.flashheart wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:40 amNo one owes anything to anyone.TT1900 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 6:06 pmWhy do some seem to think the “old boys” owe it to others to retire? Most, if not all, have been furloughed during previous downturns, many more than once. They stuck it out and are now at the top of the pile. I’d say they’ve earned the right to stay if desired.
No one "earned it". Simply - they didn't die and passed a basic flight test.
What I think people were hoping:
- They had a good run and can leave before $shit really hits the fan and have a graceful departure
- Be remembered for the best of times in aviation and not what is inbound - flying in fear, wearing a F'n face mask, locked up in hotels, and watching co workers get booted to the street, downbids, commutes from hell due to lack of flights - while they munch up their salary
- Unless they were just awful with money and totally disconnected from reality, can live a financial stressless life while others stress out on how to pay rent, mortgages, fund their CWIPP pension plan which is based on earnings not years of service
- Don't get COVID-19 and deal with implications of that
The ones that stay and subsequently decide to deal with any of above, better not complain for a second. They had a pretty decent door offered to them
L39Guy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 12:26 pmI took the package for all of the reasons mentioned above plus two others.flashheart wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:40 amNo one owes anything to anyone.TT1900 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 6:06 pm
Why do some seem to think the “old boys” owe it to others to retire? Most, if not all, have been furloughed during previous downturns, many more than once. They stuck it out and are now at the top of the pile. I’d say they’ve earned the right to stay if desired.
No one "earned it". Simply - they didn't die and passed a basic flight test.
What I think people were hoping:
- They had a good run and can leave before $shit really hits the fan and have a graceful departure
- Be remembered for the best of times in aviation and not what is inbound - flying in fear, wearing a F'n face mask, locked up in hotels, and watching co workers get booted to the street, downbids, commutes from hell due to lack of flights - while they munch up their salary
- Unless they were just awful with money and totally disconnected from reality, can live a financial stressless life while others stress out on how to pay rent, mortgages, fund their CWIPP pension plan which is based on earnings not years of service
- Don't get COVID-19 and deal with implications of that
The ones that stay and subsequently decide to deal with any of above, better not complain for a second. They had a pretty decent door offered to them
First, I remember all too well nearly getting laid off in the 90's and it was colleagues that either retired early or took LOA's that saved my bacon. My turn to return the favour to the next generation.
The second reason is related to the first; my retirement will mean one colleague will keep their job, their income, etc. when they would have otherwise been sent out onto the street likely with a mortgage, kids, etc.
When one does the math with our DB plan combined with income splitting, I would be working for $25 or $26 per credit hour. That makes no sense.
Good luck everyone. I hope that this mess gets sorted out soon and we can return to the "new" normal. My hope too is that sometime in the future when a downturn occurs - and there will be others - that those on this forum and elsewhere who wish that others would step aside do so themselves when they are in the same situation I am today.