Layoffs

[Eric Janson]

Some first hand information.

Frankfurt is the busiest European Airport I've seen so far. Limited number of flights are operating and it's the closest thing to a Hub right now.

All shops/restaurants closed except for a couple of shops selling drinks/snacks/sweets.

My Air Canada flight had about 40 passengers on it (787).

Not sure how long flights will continue like this.

[Inverted2]

I heard on the radio something about Air Canada laying off 6000 workers in June. Didn’t mention what kinds of employees though.

[Civic]

I heard on the radio something about Air Canada laying off 6000 workers in June. Didn’t mention what kinds of employees though.

Ramp

[rudder]

Different airline. Different country. But a large global network airline.

UAL just issued a displacement bid showing 4525 surplus pilots (out of 13000).

[rudder]

DAL just published their reduction bid results.

2327 pilots with no position assignment (surplus/potential layoff). Most senior surplus pilot DEC 2016 DOH.

Junior NB CA DOH 2001/2007 (depending on whether former NW or DL).

[bobcaygeon]

How many layoff notices went out late last week?

[FL-280]

162

[JoeyBarton]

162 out of 4499#. These layoffs were supposed to happen before the 1st cews announcement. It was then delayed until June 30 th due to that. 30 days prior notice so the 162 most juniors got the call yesterday.
Up to max 600 layoffs until Sep 30th.

[bobcaygeon]

162 out of 4499#. These layoffs were supposed to happen before the 1st cews announcement. It was then delayed until June 30 th due to that. 30 days prior notice so the 162 most juniors got the call yesterday.
Up to max 600 layoffs until Sep 30th.

That's it based on the business drop? Not that I want more.....

[FL-280]

Up to 600 more to come anytime now... these 600 pilots are on a surplus list, meaning they dont have an assigned seat

[Daniel Cooper]

600 more or 600 total?

[FL-280]

600 more.....

[JoeyBarton]

No. 600 max layoffs until Sept 30th. The 162 is already part of the 600. So max 438 more layoffs on top of the initial 162 until Sept 30th.

[sanjet]

That's it based on the business drop? Not that I want more.....

This is based on a partial recovery next year. Lots of down training beginning soon and this takes up to 12-18 months to complete.

[red 5]

How many after September ? I heard another 25 per cent of the 3700 , Any truth in this ? This is just what I heard so not verifiable. .

[BTD]

In theory, what has been published plans out to summer 2022. If that holds, there shouldn’t be anymore. But we are in strange times.

['97 Tercel]

[TheStig]

In theory, what has been published plans out to summer 2022. If that holds, there shouldn’t be anymore. But we are in strange times.

The bid showed 795 surplus pilots so there could be more furloughs after September.

[BTD]

In theory, what has been published plans out to summer 2022. If that holds, there shouldn’t be anymore. But we are in strange times.

The bid showed 795 surplus pilots so there could be more furloughs after September.

Yes. I should clarify. There shouldn’t be anymore surplus than what is on the bid. But again, who knows.

[rudder]

What happens to scheduling/staffing for October after the MOA expires?

Sure doesn’t look like capacity recovery is happening for Q3/Q4, particularly US trans border and overseas.

[Dry Guy]

They certainly could, but they are currently training very junior seniority numbers on new aircraft. That seems kinda silly if they are just going to lay them off a few weeks later.

[iflyroads]

They certainly could, but they are currently training very junior seniority numbers on new aircraft. That seems kinda silly if they are just going to lay them off a few weeks later.

No one deemed furloughed or surplus is being trained on a new aircraft.

600 on furlough will be laid off first at about 100 a month till that list is exhausted. (Almost over halfway through the list now I believe.)

After Sept 30th, company can dip into the surplus list and lay off as many of the 196ish surplus they want to without another bid being run.

After that another bid must be run if the company wants to lay off more pilots outside the surplus or furlough list.

[TheStig]

What happens to scheduling/staffing for October after the MOA expires?

Sure doesn’t look like capacity recovery is happening for Q3/Q4, particularly US trans border and overseas.

The airline continues to loose money in Q3/Q4. The airline is training to meet their projected flying for next summer. If they no longer believe they have a viable plan that decision would be made by the commercial side of the airline and another bid would be issued with further reductions. As has been mentioned this is costly as the junior pilots who would be deemed surplus would need to be replaced in their positions. There is a risk of being understaffed and under equipped next summer if a vaccine were to become widely available within the next 6-9 months. The pilot contract provides a wide blocking window range and of coarse another MOA could be negotiated.

[BTD]

This bid is projected to cover out to summer 2022. So hopefully there won’t be anymore surplus.

['97 Tercel]

Think there'll be a bid before end of September (like this summer) ?