$65.00 for sending fax?
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switchflicker
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Has anyone ever seen a schedule of fees that include sending a FAX? Bet there is none. I think there is a publiched schedule for everything else such as changing a C of R, reissue of a lost licence, issue a reating, you know the rest. Do you think they charge the fee when they FAX a Notice of Suspension. Betcha not.
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Tin Kicker
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Fax Fees
I worked at TC Licencing in Edmonton for 3 years and we never charged for faxing. Changing a C of R, sure, but never a fax. Sounds like the start of an urban legend to me.
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Cat Driver
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" Sounds like the start of an urban legend to me. "
Boy oh boy, do I ever know how to step in dog shit with this group.
Tin Kicker , I guess I'll have to go to my friend and see if I can get some proof of what he told us.
TC as you must know by working for them has different policies from region to region.
In fact they have different policies from person to person.
And some times from minute to minute.
And I get a little annoyed by some of you ex TC types that seem to think that most of us in industry must be dishonest.
Cat
Boy oh boy, do I ever know how to step in dog shit with this group.
Tin Kicker , I guess I'll have to go to my friend and see if I can get some proof of what he told us.
TC as you must know by working for them has different policies from region to region.
In fact they have different policies from person to person.
And some times from minute to minute.
And I get a little annoyed by some of you ex TC types that seem to think that most of us in industry must be dishonest.
Cat
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
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Jaques Strappe
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I cannot believe how many nay sayers are out there! Have you guys never had the pleasure of dealing with TC? I am not talking about just to write an exam or pick up a licence.
Try dealing with them when you own an airplane. Try dealing with them when you need to import one or obtain a C of A. You try to get direction but they are a moving target. I don't know how any owner can even budget something simple, depending on who you talk to, the cost could be out by 200%!
You guys complain about how expensive general aviation is, well your fuel cost is the least of your worries!!
Cats' story does not surprise me one bit.
Try dealing with them when you own an airplane. Try dealing with them when you need to import one or obtain a C of A. You try to get direction but they are a moving target. I don't know how any owner can even budget something simple, depending on who you talk to, the cost could be out by 200%!
You guys complain about how expensive general aviation is, well your fuel cost is the least of your worries!!
Cats' story does not surprise me one bit.
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I assumed the courier cost was what your buddy was charged. I was alluding to any labour that might have been involved in processing the courier package compared to any labour to fax something. Otherwise the $65 bucks would be for phone tolls only.They did not courier it for nothing....
Really? Another one that is full of it. Dust Devil most of us know that you are famous for having nothing useful to say.CID is famous for picking posts apart then one you prove him/her wrong you don't see another post on the topic.
Man. You really are obessesed with where I live. Have you given up with western Canada? I have been in Ottawa several times. I was last there about a month ago. It's very nice. You should visit some time. I highly recommend you go up the Peace Tower.By the way, you're in Ottawa.
Are you kidding me? Is this the first "Cat" post you've read? He is about as obsessed with slagging TC as you are with my where-abouts.Jesus CID. Cut Cat some slack. Everyone has had run ins with TC
Much of what he types is subjective but he right out to lunch on this one in my opinion. This is a third party legend that does nothing but infuriate people and further strain relationships with TC.
Cat has stated that TC charges $65 for a fax and all I'm asking is for some proof that this is standard practice or provide some background that seems to be missing.
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Cat Driver
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CID because I am killing time for a few hours I will reply to your post once again.
This from you.
"Much of what he types is subjective but he right out to lunch on this one in my opinion. This is a third party legend that does nothing but infuriate people and further strain relationships with TC. "
What I post regarding TC is true, not subjective. However in this case I was relating something that one of my best friends was complaining about, and I have no reason to think that he was lying.
This gem from you:
This is a third party legend that does nothing but infuriate people and further strain relationships with TC.
Fortunately for the industry you in your zeal to white wash any critizism of TC keep making statements that just bring more people out of the wood work to back up my opinions and facts.
So here is one for you CID, one that I can back up with written proof right from your beloved TC......... Enjoy this one ....CID
The manager of TC M&M Pacific Region wrote me a letter confirming that I complied with a section of CAR's and that I did not need to write an exam...the prick signed the letter.
At a meeting several months later both he and the Regional Director TC CA and two other top managers claimed that I had to write said exam, this in spite of my lawyer producing the letter stating that I met the CAR's requirements as written.
These people are such dishonest untrustworthy scum that if they were dealing with the Mafia they would probably be knee capped.....
So come on CID ask me for proof, I'd love to produce it to show just how far off base you and your ilk really are.
...unfortunately for aviation we have to many hand wringers like you who try and blur the truth with garbage like you write here.
But keep at it because the more you enable these parasites the more comes out.
Sincerely .
Cat
This from you.
"Much of what he types is subjective but he right out to lunch on this one in my opinion. This is a third party legend that does nothing but infuriate people and further strain relationships with TC. "
What I post regarding TC is true, not subjective. However in this case I was relating something that one of my best friends was complaining about, and I have no reason to think that he was lying.
This gem from you:
This is a third party legend that does nothing but infuriate people and further strain relationships with TC.
Fortunately for the industry you in your zeal to white wash any critizism of TC keep making statements that just bring more people out of the wood work to back up my opinions and facts.
So here is one for you CID, one that I can back up with written proof right from your beloved TC......... Enjoy this one ....CID
The manager of TC M&M Pacific Region wrote me a letter confirming that I complied with a section of CAR's and that I did not need to write an exam...the prick signed the letter.
At a meeting several months later both he and the Regional Director TC CA and two other top managers claimed that I had to write said exam, this in spite of my lawyer producing the letter stating that I met the CAR's requirements as written.
These people are such dishonest untrustworthy scum that if they were dealing with the Mafia they would probably be knee capped.....
So come on CID ask me for proof, I'd love to produce it to show just how far off base you and your ilk really are.
...unfortunately for aviation we have to many hand wringers like you who try and blur the truth with garbage like you write here.
But keep at it because the more you enable these parasites the more comes out.
Sincerely .
Cat
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
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Cat Driver
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" and your right, T.C is the most non productive beuracracy in modern day history. and the most expensive! "
And run by moral degenerates at the top.
And run by moral degenerates at the top.
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
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mellow_pilot
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First off CID:
You're a waste of carbon molecules. Just cause it's outrageous, dosen't mean it didn't happen. If it wasn't outrageous, it wouldn't have been mentioned, would it?
I can attest to the fact that they will go after your tax return, in my case even though I had already paid the processing fee at the doctor's office.
Seems inter-departmental communication is in peak form when it comes to collections.
Cat:
You may have noticed that in the past I went head to head several times with CID, pointing out stupid and illogical claims/responses. It seems that CID is an expert in all things. You can go back and read my early posts, most of them involve correcting Mr. Infallible. The only problem is that constantly dealing with stupidity aggrivates me. So I decided a while ago not to get into anymore battles with he/she/it. CID loves to sit back and make comments alluding to ITS job or ITS whereabouts, then make fun of you when you assume IT was being honest and truthful. I will say this though, if you've got the time (and the low blood pressure) to slap IT down when IT gets out of line, I love to watch.
Cheers to all, and for our collevtive blood pressure, lets try not to be stupid today...
You're a waste of carbon molecules. Just cause it's outrageous, dosen't mean it didn't happen. If it wasn't outrageous, it wouldn't have been mentioned, would it?
I can attest to the fact that they will go after your tax return, in my case even though I had already paid the processing fee at the doctor's office.
Seems inter-departmental communication is in peak form when it comes to collections.
Cat:
You may have noticed that in the past I went head to head several times with CID, pointing out stupid and illogical claims/responses. It seems that CID is an expert in all things. You can go back and read my early posts, most of them involve correcting Mr. Infallible. The only problem is that constantly dealing with stupidity aggrivates me. So I decided a while ago not to get into anymore battles with he/she/it. CID loves to sit back and make comments alluding to ITS job or ITS whereabouts, then make fun of you when you assume IT was being honest and truthful. I will say this though, if you've got the time (and the low blood pressure) to slap IT down when IT gets out of line, I love to watch.
Cheers to all, and for our collevtive blood pressure, lets try not to be stupid today...
Dyslexics of the world... UNTIE!
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Cat Driver
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Mello_ pilot :
Your comments are correct, the best advice that I can give to you is to just sit back and watch.
Trying to reason with a troll like CID is hopeless, because they thrive on recognition of their posts.
In my case I love to use these idiots to correct their poorly thought out responses to other members of this forum.
As to having any effect on my blood pressure, nope, these idiots are great fun to fence with.
The bottom line is I'm to old a Cat to be f.cked by a kitten.
CID does not even come on the radar screen as far as intellect goes, let alone show any grasp of the real world.
Anyhow I'm off to Calgary for a family get together to try and figure out why I'm still around.
Please do not take advantage of the simple minded while I'm gone...leave CID to me for my entertainment.
Cat
Your comments are correct, the best advice that I can give to you is to just sit back and watch.
Trying to reason with a troll like CID is hopeless, because they thrive on recognition of their posts.
In my case I love to use these idiots to correct their poorly thought out responses to other members of this forum.
As to having any effect on my blood pressure, nope, these idiots are great fun to fence with.
The bottom line is I'm to old a Cat to be f.cked by a kitten.
CID does not even come on the radar screen as far as intellect goes, let alone show any grasp of the real world.
Anyhow I'm off to Calgary for a family get together to try and figure out why I'm still around.
Please do not take advantage of the simple minded while I'm gone...leave CID to me for my entertainment.
Cat
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
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Cat Driver
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" Well OK. If you can't prove it....."
You see what I mean Mellow_PIlot, the above is the best this guy can do...real lame...
Hell we need someone with some intellect so we can at least address something that makes sense.
Cat
You see what I mean Mellow_PIlot, the above is the best this guy can do...real lame...
Hell we need someone with some intellect so we can at least address something that makes sense.
Cat
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
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marktheone
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CID are in Calgary? Possibly in an institution with 4 hard walls and bars? You know, like a jail?
As for going to Ottawa, I'd rather drink turpentine and piss on a brush fire but thanks for the invite.
CAT, I believe that TC is headed more towards a self policing type of system. More like a POC holder has to live by. This could be good and it could also be bad. We will have to wait and see. My understanding is that the 604 operators get on quite well with the self audit stuff. I've never worked in that end of things but I know people who do. Seems to work all right.
As for going to Ottawa, I'd rather drink turpentine and piss on a brush fire but thanks for the invite.
CAT, I believe that TC is headed more towards a self policing type of system. More like a POC holder has to live by. This could be good and it could also be bad. We will have to wait and see. My understanding is that the 604 operators get on quite well with the self audit stuff. I've never worked in that end of things but I know people who do. Seems to work all right.
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Dust Devil
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AAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!CID wrote:Hmmm...
Got awful quiet in here all of a sudden.
Been in there once when I was 19. Just for a few hours (and it wasn't the drunk tank) oddly enough I've never found myself in there. This weekend is looking like a possible contender though.Nope. Never been in jail. How about you guys?
Who wants to get rowdy in Calgary?
//=S=//
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The Old Fogducker
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Mellow:
You've got me wondering about your comment on paying for the medical processing fee and subsequently getting bent over in the shower by the big bruisers at the tax dept.
My aviation Dr. won't accept payments to TC running through his office saying "I'm not a Tax Collector." I've always got a "bill" from Transport later in the process. Ultimately my company pays the bill based on my paid receipt, so its really no skin off my nose and I'm luckier than some in the business.
Sounds like you maybe either got ripped off by a crooked medical examiner who pocketed the cheque that you would have written payable to the Receiver General for Canada and placed it in his "winter vacation fund." Those Doctors have no scruples and risking his career for your $55 is a very likely story and I'll bet that's what happened.
Perhaps you were confused about the fee you paid him for the privilege of listening to you cough while being checked for hernia, thinking the monies went to our beloved government.
Maybe the Doc did the medical for free just for the experience so he could log one more prostate check completed in his logbook as he works his way to that coveted Proctologist or Urologist specialty position. Sort of the Doctors equivalent of our " Will Pay For PPC" problem.
Which of those possible stories is it?
You should have a cancelled cheque or a receipt from the sawbones somewhere in your collection of flotsam & jetsam ... go dig it out and get a refund. If your records are in disarray, the bank will have a copy of the cheque in their record system.
Otherwise, I'd venture to say you didn't pay the bill in the first place and like any other "person or business" owed money, they eventually ran out of patience with a person they conclude is a "deadbeat" that can't or won't live up to his obligations.
If you are one of the latter, then I applaud the tax guys for tracking you down so I don't have to pay even a tiny sliver of the costs for the services you obtained for free. I already carry enough of society's deadbeats and lazy scum on my back through our wonderful socialist "Robin Hood, make the rich pay" tax structure.
While the left-wingnuts you hear interviewed on the CBC are saying we don't need tax cuts, or drivel like .... "I'd gladly pay more taxes if I could be sure it went to Save The Wolves" they fail to say "The rich" turns out to be anyone who makes more than 18K per year. Obviously such oppulent lifestyles can only be based on greed and that should be punished by the PC crowd. I still like old "Howdy" McPhail's description of the letters NDP stand for ... the No Down Payment Party.
Tell us more about your situation since you raised it. Perhaps your enlightenment describing your circumstance further can save some other poor over-taxed bugger some problems down the road.
Fog
You've got me wondering about your comment on paying for the medical processing fee and subsequently getting bent over in the shower by the big bruisers at the tax dept.
My aviation Dr. won't accept payments to TC running through his office saying "I'm not a Tax Collector." I've always got a "bill" from Transport later in the process. Ultimately my company pays the bill based on my paid receipt, so its really no skin off my nose and I'm luckier than some in the business.
Sounds like you maybe either got ripped off by a crooked medical examiner who pocketed the cheque that you would have written payable to the Receiver General for Canada and placed it in his "winter vacation fund." Those Doctors have no scruples and risking his career for your $55 is a very likely story and I'll bet that's what happened.
Perhaps you were confused about the fee you paid him for the privilege of listening to you cough while being checked for hernia, thinking the monies went to our beloved government.
Maybe the Doc did the medical for free just for the experience so he could log one more prostate check completed in his logbook as he works his way to that coveted Proctologist or Urologist specialty position. Sort of the Doctors equivalent of our " Will Pay For PPC" problem.
Which of those possible stories is it?
You should have a cancelled cheque or a receipt from the sawbones somewhere in your collection of flotsam & jetsam ... go dig it out and get a refund. If your records are in disarray, the bank will have a copy of the cheque in their record system.
Otherwise, I'd venture to say you didn't pay the bill in the first place and like any other "person or business" owed money, they eventually ran out of patience with a person they conclude is a "deadbeat" that can't or won't live up to his obligations.
If you are one of the latter, then I applaud the tax guys for tracking you down so I don't have to pay even a tiny sliver of the costs for the services you obtained for free. I already carry enough of society's deadbeats and lazy scum on my back through our wonderful socialist "Robin Hood, make the rich pay" tax structure.
While the left-wingnuts you hear interviewed on the CBC are saying we don't need tax cuts, or drivel like .... "I'd gladly pay more taxes if I could be sure it went to Save The Wolves" they fail to say "The rich" turns out to be anyone who makes more than 18K per year. Obviously such oppulent lifestyles can only be based on greed and that should be punished by the PC crowd. I still like old "Howdy" McPhail's description of the letters NDP stand for ... the No Down Payment Party.
Tell us more about your situation since you raised it. Perhaps your enlightenment describing your circumstance further can save some other poor over-taxed bugger some problems down the road.
Fog
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mellow_pilot
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Hey fog,
That was quite a mouthful. I liked the part where you called me a deadbeat. What happened is I was dumb enough to trust the nice lady behind the desk. I paid her in cash, so no paper trail to follow. I still can't complain though cause she charged the exam to OHIP some how. So in the end, I paid less by paying twice than I normally would have paying once. Looks like you were right (though not in the way you though) on two counts:
1) the doc was crooked
2) I'm a deadbeat, riding on your anit-socialist back... Thanks Prince John.
I wasn't complaining that they took the money, I was mearly confirming that TC does infact put a lein on your tax return. It was questioned earlier in the thread.
It's nice to see that you got excited enough to write an essay about how rotten a person I am though, shows that you care.
As for the $65 being for the CofR rather than the fax... I've heard stories change when people are questioned about an incident. Perhaps that's what happened here, perhaps the TC rep was mis-quoted to begin with. I think the real point is that there needs to be some mechanism to report poor service in a public agency. That way when the minority bad-apples stir the pot, they get put on notice.
I've said before that I have had mainly good experiences with TC, but I have also had a couple times when they were less than helpful. In my limited experience the un-helpful ones are usually not the ones you meet, or speak to in person.
Again, loved the passive-aggressive essay. Ever watch "Office Space"? I'm going to buy you a 'jump to conclusions mat'. Now, would you like that curriered, or faxed?
That was quite a mouthful. I liked the part where you called me a deadbeat. What happened is I was dumb enough to trust the nice lady behind the desk. I paid her in cash, so no paper trail to follow. I still can't complain though cause she charged the exam to OHIP some how. So in the end, I paid less by paying twice than I normally would have paying once. Looks like you were right (though not in the way you though) on two counts:
1) the doc was crooked
2) I'm a deadbeat, riding on your anit-socialist back... Thanks Prince John.
I wasn't complaining that they took the money, I was mearly confirming that TC does infact put a lein on your tax return. It was questioned earlier in the thread.
It's nice to see that you got excited enough to write an essay about how rotten a person I am though, shows that you care.
As for the $65 being for the CofR rather than the fax... I've heard stories change when people are questioned about an incident. Perhaps that's what happened here, perhaps the TC rep was mis-quoted to begin with. I think the real point is that there needs to be some mechanism to report poor service in a public agency. That way when the minority bad-apples stir the pot, they get put on notice.
I've said before that I have had mainly good experiences with TC, but I have also had a couple times when they were less than helpful. In my limited experience the un-helpful ones are usually not the ones you meet, or speak to in person.
Again, loved the passive-aggressive essay. Ever watch "Office Space"? I'm going to buy you a 'jump to conclusions mat'. Now, would you like that curriered, or faxed?
Dyslexics of the world... UNTIE!
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