Did ACPA MEC vote themselves a raise while others are laid-off?

[a220hereicome]

Accountability for these guys and many of the committees has been questionable at best. It’s systemic with committee people as well always living away from the office fornicating the dog at home.

Agree with you 100%, brother. You should only be allowed to serve on a committee if you live in Mississauga

[L39Guy]

And who can forget The TA2 period when the entire negot’s team, MM included, were on a full-time ACPA paid flight release for the better part of a year. Flobbin’ Aubin used his release to go to law school full time.

Not to be outdone, the ACPA President, PS, used his full time ACPA paid flight release to go to MBA school.

That’s your ACPA dollar at work.

[RippleRock]

ACPA reeks.

I can't wait for the next "unvoted for" MOU. It should be a doozy judging from the leading questions on the survey. The mandate was obvious. Lower expectations into negative territory.

The damn contract was suppose to protect us during hard times cause God knows it protected the Company from us asking for more during years and years of record profits. The Contract was "out the window" within a month of the voluntary grounding with a 55 hour 6 month LOU. Bottom line effect to AC over the 6 months --- negligible.

Let's see how our current leadership puts that "carefully worded" survey to work against us.

[fur1ough]

ACPA reeks.

I can't wait for the next "unvoted for" MOU. It should be a doozy judging from the leading questions on the survey. The mandate was obvious. Lower expectations into negative territory.

The damn contract was suppose to protect us during hard times cause God knows it protected the Company from us asking for more during years and years of record profits. The Contract was "out the window" within a month of the voluntary grounding with a 55 hour 6 month LOU. Bottom line effect to AC over the 6 months --- negligible.

Let's see how our current leadership puts that "carefully worded" survey to work against us.

Don't give me nightmares.

Please vote no on everything.

I need a job worth coming back to, you know since it will probably take 7 years to get off flat pay now.

How amazing the last few years has been. From making over 100k to taking the pay cut to come to AC based on a lot of financial calculations and looking long term, only to get laid off and be essentially broke.

This industry is something...

[PostmasterGeneral]

What a fucking joke this union is these days. I am a flat pay FO. Every single fellow pilot I've spoken to couldn't believe the MOA affected us flat-payers as well. Did that cut really save the company that much money? How do you cut something that's carely there to begin with? They're still laying off anyways! Now the guys just laid off have been trying to survive on $2600/mo (Yes, you read that right) for the past few months before being shown the door.

How was this MOA even passed without any input whatsoever from the membership? Feels like a shady back alley midnight deal to me... Par for the course over at ACPA?

That memo posted shows that DSC's will be retroactive to April 2020. For a senior WB CA, 4 months of salary top-up could pay 1.5 flat pay salaries for a year. Let that sink in.

[altiplano]

I disagree with the MOA, but at least everyone took the hit on hours, that's solidarity, we all feel the pain... good for one, good for all.

That the union leaders voted themselves a raise is completely against sharing that pain in solidarity with the membership, the same membership whose dues will pay their top-up and retroactively at that .. I already knew these guys were out of touch but this is really unbelievable.

[Jean-Pierre]

I think the issue is flat pay pilot were already taking a hit for the good of the group.

[98 Corolla]

I think the issue is flat pay pilot were already taking a hit for the good of the group.

Unbelievable that they had the results of a very recent member survey saying flat pay was the biggest issue, and then they agreed to make it even worse.

[RippleRock]

It’s hard for me to get my head around the idea that ACPA reps voted in favour of giving themselves a raise with the members own dues, after forcing a “no vote” 55 hour MOU onto the entire group, and agreeing to layoffs.

This is absolutely incredible.

Everyone who voted yes to this absolute outrage should be terminated immediately.

[ZBBYLW]

With taking concessions I think in reality they should have kept flat payers at 75-77.5 hours. Failing that perhaps a 53 hour (or what ever an accountant deemed necessary) for the rest of us to keep flat payers up.

More then anything I wonder what this MOA did for us. Let's face it, the 10 year deal left us in quick sand, while our US counterparts did very well. The 10 year deal helped the company. While I do not support a 10 year deal, I will admit that the one benefit of the 10 year deal would have been to protect us in a downturn and yet it seemed ACPA dropped the soap on purpose here. As can be seen by the slow roll of layoffs, AC can't down train fast enough to realistically get much below 600 pilots by September anyhow, yet we have them a huge pay cut. We should all still be at 77.5 for Rouge and what ever the DBM min for ML is, plus 75 hours for ML flat payers.

Anyhow, like I have always said. CR plays chess and we play connect 4.

[altiplano]

You're absolutely right. They couldn't train fast enough to lay off any faster than they have. So why did we give it up? 75 for flat pay, 77.5 for LCC, 80 for 737, plus the 900 hour guarantee that was in place, min block on a 70 bit DBM would have still been 65...

I would be all for helping the company for real gains for us, real layoff savings, all we did though is give millions while they lay off and position themselves, and come Oct 1 they will keep going past 600.

Everyone who voted yes to this absolute outrage should be terminated immediately.

And they won't tell you how they voted...

I wonder if the YUL Chair will get his DSC top-up on top of the overtime he's flying?

[PostmasterGeneral]

How much money was saved by laying off the bottom 600 guys (all on flat pay) at 55 credits a month? Anyone do the math?

[RRJetPilot]

Bout 2.1 mil a month.

[condor1]

Bout 2.1 mil a month.

Does this number take CEWS in consideration?

['97 Tercel]

So if they're getting topped up above the 55 hour pay is it really volunteer work anymore?

[PostmasterGeneral]

So if they're getting topped up above the 55 hour pay is it really volunteer work anymore?

Seems like right now it’s one of the best paying “jobs” in the organization.

[alkaseltzer]

So if they're getting topped up above the 55 hour pay is it really volunteer work anymore?

Seems like right now it’s one of the best paying “jobs” in the organization.

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"ACPA has done more to degrade the profession than any other Canadian pilot union. *mic drop* We are the only airline in Canada with furloughed pilots not on CEWS."

Mutual frustration is synergized here.

[PT6onH20]

For a good number of pilots, this is the first time they’ve seen ACPA handle a crisis.

And ACPA has failed the Litmus Test, spectacularly.