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Herman Cain's the 150,001st US citizen to die from a hoax. Louis Gohmert's on deck.

F**King idiots.
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https://25hournews.com/news/1-5-gram-we ... dwide-1754

Some weird science for those who like that sort of thing :)
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You're right mixturerich, it is all about perspective and it is difficult to decide if you should react locally or globally. And perhaps if we in the 1st world are going to stick with the economic and social restructuring to fight Covid, we also have to step up to the redistribution of wealth to help the existing poor in the world deal with the repercussions. It's seems quite disingenuous to do one without the other.

For a bit of a global view, here's an article from Oxfam that's a quick read and expresses somewhat of a different focus.

Covid Response Impact on Hunger
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Another country on AC’s list has a surge and enters into lockdown(in one area).....

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.theguar ... e-covid-19

Which one is next. Support your own province with a vacation instead. With the loss of foreign tourists, we need to fill the void.
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Two important issues are being forgotten with this issue:

The original intent of the lock down in March was to give the healthcare system time to prepare for an onslaught of cases requiring hospital beds, ICU beds, ventilators, etc. That preparation was achieved months ago and now the hospitals are largely empty because the predicted rate of hospitalizations has not been realized, partly due to the modeling the the efforts individuals took took to isolate early in this crisis.

With respect to opening the borders, there is no difference in allowing those from outside Canada coming from an area with a similar or lesser infection rate than inter-provincial or intra-provincial travel in Canada. In fact, given all of the stuff that goes on at airports prior to travel (temperature checks, masks, etc.) which do not occur for inter-provincial or intra-provincial travel, I would submit that the risk is even less.
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L39Guy wrote: Sun Aug 02, 2020 9:45 am Two important issues are being forgotten with this issue:

The original intent of the lock down in March was to give the healthcare system time to prepare for an onslaught of cases requiring hospital beds, ICU beds, ventilators, etc. That preparation was achieved months ago and now the hospitals are largely empty because the predicted rate of hospitalizations has not been realized, partly due to the modeling the the efforts individuals took took to isolate early in this crisis.

With respect to opening the borders, there is no difference in allowing those from outside Canada coming from an area with a similar or lesser infection rate than inter-provincial or intra-provincial travel in Canada. In fact, given all of the stuff that goes on at airports prior to travel (temperature checks, masks, etc.) which do not occur for inter-provincial or intra-provincial travel, I would submit that the risk is even less.
Yeah but now they want to be ready for the second wave, let's see in december.
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Second wave second wave.... every freaking week everyone’s like oh second wave is right around the corner.
What about the Beijing second wave the media had us shitting our pants for? Yea, there was none.
Still waiting *yawn*
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fishface wrote: Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:37 am Second wave second wave.... every freaking week everyone’s like oh second wave is right around the corner.
What about the Beijing second wave the media had us shitting our pants for? Yea, there was none.
Still waiting *yawn*
Maybe because people are taking the warnings of a second wave seriously and using caution while they're out and about.

Australia just went back into lockdown and stricked curfew and has declared a state of emergency.

The war on stupidity is a serious one because people don't understand the seriousness of this strain of viral infection.
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GoHomeLeg wrote: Sun Aug 02, 2020 12:52 pm The war on stupidity is a serious one because people don't understand the seriousness of this strain of viral infection.
That applies to everything. We cannot afford situations where the stupid people say "sorry, I guess I was wrong". Assuming they're smart enough to recognize when they're wrong, which in many cases they are not. Louis Gohmert for example.
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Once the second wave hits they’ll be talking about the third wave. It’ll never end.
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Part of Australia back in lockdown with people not allowed more than 5 km from their homes.

Meanwhile South Africa is bad. I mention that because they were successful in slowing down the virus at first but after opening up, it came in from “wealthy South Africans returning from Europe”.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/beta.ctvnew ... 48831.html

Should we risk all this for AC/AT. They will probably get bailout money anyways. And if not, new airlines will come along. One just started up in Quebec.
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I was under the impression we are still in the first wave, the same shitstorm from the beginning, we slowed it down a bit but it’s still spreading steady, albeit much slower in some places, higher in others. Maybe we should open all
borders worldwide and call the massive increase in cases the “second wave”. Whatever. It’s all completely out of our control anyways.
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pelmet wrote: Sun Aug 02, 2020 4:34 pm Part of Australia back in lockdown with people not allowed more than 5 km from their homes.
Countries used to fight extremism but now they join the club; what a wonderful world...
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FL320 wrote: Sun Aug 02, 2020 6:58 pm
pelmet wrote: Sun Aug 02, 2020 4:34 pm Part of Australia back in lockdown with people not allowed more than 5 km from their homes.
Countries used to fight extremism but now they join the club; what a wonderful world...
I'm in Australia and there is broad public support for the measures in place.

I'm in Quarantine for the next 2 weeks - that means not being allowed out of the room. When I do flights I'm in Quarantine at destination. Schedule gives me 10 day/month out of Quarantine.

If they close the State borders again then I will be in continuous Quarantine as the 14 days will continually reset.

It doesn't help that people can't follow simple instructions - there are continual breaches of Quarantine here.
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L39Guy wrote: Sun Aug 02, 2020 9:45 am
The original intent of the lock down in March was to give the healthcare system time to prepare for an onslaught of cases requiring hospital beds, ICU beds, ventilators, etc. That preparation was achieved months ago and now the hospitals are largely empty because the predicted rate of hospitalizations has not been realized, partly due to the modeling the the efforts individuals took took to isolate early in this crisis.
Hospitals empty ? My wife is the site director of a hospital, and it's been business as usual for months in terms of capacity, all beds full with sometimes a few folks in the hallway. There are a lot of things changed, but, being empty is absolutely not one of them. They were running under capacity for a few weeks during the initial restrictions, mostly because elective surgery was postponed and there were not a lot of vehicle accidents happening. They are well on the way to clearing the elective surgery backlog, and the regular slate is happening day in and day out.

The real big difference these days, the parking lot has lots of space, never hard to find a place to park. The reason for that is because there are restrictions on visitors at the hospital. Without the constant stream of visitors up and down the hallways, ya, the hospitals do look less busy, but it's not due to fewer patients.

I think the big thing thru this whole escapade is that there is a lot of information available to folks, and for every tidbit of information, there are 3 tidbits of misinformation. A lot of folks are just picking and choosing to believe what best suits personal views, that's essentially human nature. The 'empty hospitals' as one example, we keep hearing it from all sorts of different directions, but I know for a fact it just is not true. What is true, there are a lot less people wandering the hallways, but there are no less patients being tended.

Then there are a lot of things going on in that area that folks just dont realize. There may or may not be a large influx of a second wave of covid patients farther down the road, but that's not the only thing they have to plan for. There were stay at home recommendations in the province during March and April. The hospital staff now have started formulating plans for a large surge in the maternity wards around Christmas because it's inevitable. They have years and years of records that show clear correlations between things like a large scale power outage and a surge in maternity 9 months later. The upcoming surge wont be any different other than scale and duration. But on the bright side, for the vast majority of those, they have 6 to 8 months warning, they aren't guessing about that surge coming, they already know with dates marked on the calendar.
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I don't have the stats for where your wife works but in Alberta I believe the hospital bed occupancy through this COVID crisis was in the order of 17%.
A friend of mine whose wife works for Alberta Health told me that doctors would even get in fisticuffs over patients as they were not busy but needing the income.
I guess it depends upon what jurisdiction one lives in.
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goldeneagle wrote: Mon Aug 03, 2020 7:40 am
L39Guy wrote: Sun Aug 02, 2020 9:45 am
The original intent of the lock down in March was to give the healthcare system time to prepare for an onslaught of cases requiring hospital beds, ICU beds, ventilators, etc. That preparation was achieved months ago and now the hospitals are largely empty because the predicted rate of hospitalizations has not been realized, partly due to the modeling the the efforts individuals took took to isolate early in this crisis.
Hospitals empty ? My wife is the site director of a hospital, and it's been business as usual for months in terms of capacity, all beds full with sometimes a few folks in the hallway. There are a lot of things changed, but, being empty is absolutely not one of them. They were running under capacity for a few weeks during the initial restrictions, mostly because elective surgery was postponed and there were not a lot of vehicle accidents happening. They are well on the way to clearing the elective surgery backlog, and the regular slate is happening day in and day out.

The real big difference these days, the parking lot has lots of space, never hard to find a place to park. The reason for that is because there are restrictions on visitors at the hospital. Without the constant stream of visitors up and down the hallways, ya, the hospitals do look less busy, but it's not due to fewer patients.

I think the big thing thru this whole escapade is that there is a lot of information available to folks, and for every tidbit of information, there are 3 tidbits of misinformation. A lot of folks are just picking and choosing to believe what best suits personal views, that's essentially human nature. The 'empty hospitals' as one example, we keep hearing it from all sorts of different directions, but I know for a fact it just is not true. What is true, there are a lot less people wandering the hallways, but there are no less patients being tended.

Then there are a lot of things going on in that area that folks just dont realize. There may or may not be a large influx of a second wave of covid patients farther down the road, but that's not the only thing they have to plan for. There were stay at home recommendations in the province during March and April. The hospital staff now have started formulating plans for a large surge in the maternity wards around Christmas because it's inevitable. They have years and years of records that show clear correlations between things like a large scale power outage and a surge in maternity 9 months later. The upcoming surge wont be any different other than scale and duration. But on the bright side, for the vast majority of those, they have 6 to 8 months warning, they aren't guessing about that surge coming, they already know with dates marked on the calendar.
You said it yourself... The large increase if due to the backlogs....
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Look on the bright side if they can keep flights grounded from the zoonotic virus source country ,we might avoid a flu season this winter The Hospitals can take advantage of a bad situation to play catch up and get rid of the waiting lists . It is only one country that is responsible for the most of the flu epidemics in the last seventy years . Why we still allow travel to that particular region during the annual flu season is baffling ? Baizuo culture at work ?
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Gilles Hudicourt wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:35 am https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/07 ... ravel.html
Experts say Canada is hesitant to relax restrictions on European travelers while maintaining strict rules against citizens from the United States, the country's largest trading partner, where coronavirus cases are rising.
Fear of Trump’s reaction ? Even the Bahamas had the guts to open up to a list of countries that does not include the United States.
Whatever the Bahamas did, it didn't work and is now a place that probably should be taken off the AC/AT wish list. I wonder which one is next.....


The Bahamas, which reopened its borders earlier this month, is instituting a two-week lockdown starting today for Grand Bahama after experiencing a surge of Covid-19 infections. This move will take effect at 7 p.m. ET and tentatively run through 5 a.m. ET August 7. During that period, all non-emergency or international flights to and from the island will be prohibited.

In an alert from NBAA, the Miami Air Route Traffic Control Center was quoted as stating: “Aircraft on the ground will be allowed to depart with crewmembers only. This affects all traffic and is not limited to just the United States.” This latest announcement follows an earlier edict, effective last night, banning all scheduled international flights anywhere in the island country from anywhere but Canada, the UK, and the EU. Outside of Grand Bahama, international private and charter flights are still permitted, with certain health requirements.

U.S. citizens planning to depart Grand Bahama are being urged by the U.S. Embassy to do so immediately while they are able to and, according to OpsGroup, the Bahamian government noted that it will also prohibit boats from arriving or departing the island.

Those remaining will face restrictions, including weekday travel limited to essential trips to food stores, pharmacies, and gas stations between 7 a.m. and 5 p.m., with sheltering in place ordered at all other times.
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