Why is SkyCare considered the bottom? I just started with them. New FO jobs are very far and few, and I had a decent amount of hours from pipelines and jumpers so I was direct into the FO position without ground time. Most of the people seem pretty straight forward and I was able to elect which base I preferred. Okay yeah the training bond is not ideal, but where else am I going for the next 1 to 2 years with no multi IFR time? PM if you want to chat offline, I’d like to hear your insights.
You're an idiot "Planebored"- Trash a company that's giving young pilots an opportunity and livelihood during the worst economic impact to the aviation sector in modern times. You were probably some boo-hoo, lazy prick that no one liked on the flightline and blamed all your problems on "management". Sometimes you just have to suck it up and work hard and do some hard flying. Nothing unsafe, but challenge yourself. Learn. Grow.
Blatantly trashing a company with no context is the lowest of the low. Grow up.
I know this company well and have no affiliation with them but this type of trash talking drives me nuts.
Ok. Here's a few.
1) They have ridiculous bonds for Navajos and FO Metros (and if you move between planes)
2) Mx has been known to pencil whip pretty much everything and anything and their safety record shows. Some of the horror stories I heard about things there would blow your mind.
3) The owner is a dickbag who makes people do housework for him and has favorites, and pilots do it because they are too scared to say no. If you ever do anything remotely wrong you'll end up on the shit list and your ramp wait could go from 6 months to 2 years. Guys then just keep sticking around because they don't want to waste the years they worked on the ramp for nothing
4) They push their pilots to run in SKETCH weather, and with absolute minimum fuel and max loads
5) They string people along in dispatch positions while hiring OTS because they are "too good at dispatch and it would take too long to train someone new"
Should I keep going?
Skycare is a predatory company and sure they "give people their shot" but that's a pretty fucking low bar to hold them to.
1) They have ridiculous bonds for Navajos and FO Metros (and if you move between planes) - Pretty standard 1 year bonds. If you don't stick around for one year you're part of the problem with our industry
2) Mx has been known to pencil whip pretty much everything and anything and their safety record shows. Some of the horror stories I heard about things there would blow your mind. Never Saw this. Maint was average for a northern operator
3) The owner is a dickbag who makes people do housework for him and has favorites, and pilots do it because they are too scared to say no. If you ever do anything remotely wrong you'll end up on the shit list and your ramp wait could go from 6 months to 2 years. Guys then just keep sticking around because they don't want to waste the years they worked on the ramp for nothing
Never saw or heard of this, If someone needs a helping hand in a small town, I'd help. Maybe it interfered with your video games and you're bitter?
4) They push their pilots to run in SKETCH weather, and with absolute minimum fuel and max loads That's on them. Was never pressured and no meant no. this takes some maturity and respect earned
5) They string people along in dispatch positions while hiring OTS because they are "too good at dispatch and it would take too long to train someone new" None was on dispatch for more than a few months with absolutely no time. This is false
Well regardless I think we can all agree SkyCare is the bottommost bottom feeder.
Why is SkyCare considered the bottom? I just started with them. New FO jobs are very far and few, and I had a decent amount of hours from pipelines and jumpers so I was direct into the FO position without ground time. Most of the people seem pretty straight forward and I was able to elect which base I preferred. Okay yeah the training bond is not ideal, but where else am I going for the next 1 to 2 years with no multi IFR time? PM if you want to chat offline, I’d like to hear your insights.
You're an idiot "Planebored"- Trash a company that's giving young pilots an opportunity and livelihood during the worst economic impact to the aviation sector in modern times. You were probably some boo-hoo, lazy prick that no one liked on the flightline and blamed all your problems on "management". Sometimes you just have to suck it up and work hard and do some hard flying. Nothing unsafe, but challenge yourself. Learn. Grow.
Blatantly trashing a company with no context is the lowest of the low. Grow up.
I know this company well and have no affiliation with them but this type of trash talking drives me nuts.
First, no company is giving young pilots, or any pilot, a shot out of compassion. A company hires because they need personnel. Simple.
Second, are you not seeing the irony in your post? You crucify him (or her) for 'trashing' a company, an opinion planebored is entitled to, yet you turn around and trash him. No no no...YOU grow up. Good grief
You're an idiot "Planebored"- Trash a company that's giving young pilots an opportunity and livelihood during the worst economic impact to the aviation sector in modern times. You were probably some boo-hoo, lazy prick that no one liked on the flightline and blamed all your problems on "management". Sometimes you just have to suck it up and work hard and do some hard flying. Nothing unsafe, but challenge yourself. Learn. Grow.
Blatantly trashing a company with no context is the lowest of the low. Grow up.
I know this company well and have no affiliation with them but this type of trash talking drives me nuts.
Ok. Here's a few.
1) They have ridiculous bonds for Navajos and FO Metros (and if you move between planes)
2) Mx has been known to pencil whip pretty much everything and anything and their safety record shows. Some of the horror stories I heard about things there would blow your mind.
3) The owner is a dickbag who makes people do housework for him and has favorites, and pilots do it because they are too scared to say no. If you ever do anything remotely wrong you'll end up on the shit list and your ramp wait could go from 6 months to 2 years. Guys then just keep sticking around because they don't want to waste the years they worked on the ramp for nothing
4) They push their pilots to run in SKETCH weather, and with absolute minimum fuel and max loads
5) They string people along in dispatch positions while hiring OTS because they are "too good at dispatch and it would take too long to train someone new"
Should I keep going?
Skycare is a predatory company and sure they "give people their shot" but that's a pretty fucking low bar to hold them to.
You might soon get an opportunity to prove your statements in court, at your defamation hearing.
It’s not defamation if it’s true.
A younger pilot I know jumped ship with pages of unsafe and illegal things written down. One of them was a broken attitude indicator on the Metro that they said the FO “didn’t need” because it was “a single pilot aircraft”.
I told him to snag it and ask for the MEL and that aircraft operated two crew have to have an attitude indicator for each crew member. He quit within days with the threat to show his book to TC if they ever went after him for his bond.
I’d quit aviation forever before ever working for Sky Scare.
I did as much draft as I saw fit when pilots were short before the pandemic, and I continue to do as much draft as I see fit now. I don't feel one bit guilty about it, as I worked hard to get to where I am, with plenty of setbacks and my share of PFOs. This might come as a shock to some of you, but I did not personally cause the pandemic or the slowdown associated, and I'm not going to sacrifice my financial well-being because the chair I landed in happened to be a bit more secure than some other chairs that others have landed in.
We havn't laid off anyone where I work, but I suppose our crews doing overtime has potentially prevented us from needing to hire laid off pilots from elsewhere, but I'm not going to have some thread on avcanada make me feel bad about that.
Flitey wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 5:28 pm
I did as much draft as I saw fit when pilots were short before the pandemic, and I continue to do as much draft as I see fit now. I don't feel one bit guilty about it, as I worked hard to get to where I am, with plenty of setbacks and my share of PFOs. This might come as a shock to some of you, but I did not personally cause the pandemic or the slowdown associated, and I'm not going to sacrifice my financial well-being because the chair I landed in happened to be a bit more secure than some other chairs that others have landed in.
We havn't laid off anyone where I work, but I suppose our crews doing overtime has potentially prevented us from needing to hire laid off pilots from elsewhere, but I'm not going to have some thread on avcanada make me feel bad about that.
Flitey wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 5:28 pm
I did as much draft as I saw fit when pilots were short before the pandemic, and I continue to do as much draft as I see fit now. I don't feel one bit guilty about it, as I worked hard to get to where I am, with plenty of setbacks and my share of PFOs. This might come as a shock to some of you, but I did not personally cause the pandemic or the slowdown associated, and I'm not going to sacrifice my financial well-being because the chair I landed in happened to be a bit more secure than some other chairs that others have landed in.
We havn't laid off anyone where I work, but I suppose our crews doing overtime has potentially prevented us from needing to hire laid off pilots from elsewhere, but I'm not going to have some thread on avcanada make me feel bad about that.
Also, what's with that apostrophe in "Feeder's"?
If no one has been laid off at your company, then it's really a non issue.
Flitey wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 5:28 pm
I did as much draft as I saw fit when pilots were short before the pandemic, and I continue to do as much draft as I see fit now. I don't feel one bit guilty about it, as I worked hard to get to where I am, with plenty of setbacks and my share of PFOs. This might come as a shock to some of you, but I did not personally cause the pandemic or the slowdown associated, and I'm not going to sacrifice my financial well-being because the chair I landed in happened to be a bit more secure than some other chairs that others have landed in.
We havn't laid off anyone where I work, but I suppose our crews doing overtime has potentially prevented us from needing to hire laid off pilots from elsewhere, but I'm not going to have some thread on avcanada make me feel bad about that.
Also, what's with that apostrophe in "Feeder's"?
If no one has been laid off at your company, then it's really a non issue.
Planebored,
I can certainly empathize with you, as many pilots who have been in this industry since the early nineties can, we’ve all been through downturns, this does seem to be heading towards the worst in history but none the less affecting you now.
This being said, the pilots left at AC have also taken a pretty sizeable pay cut to save some jobs, so them taking OT is not likely to change the outcome.
I agree with the basic premise of no OT while pilots are on furlough but that’s if you are having a full block or normal paycheque, this simply is not the case, I hope you see the difference.
Just remember not everyone being hired at AC is some 25 year old with a wet ATPL.
Many of those laid off in the last few months were widebody captains, 737 captains, regional captains etc. ranging from 30-50+...
Those same people lived through the 90's just like you did.
I for one have not been flying as long as them, but that doesn't mean I or others didn't hit bumps in the road to get where we are either.
I stand by my opinion that NO overtime when pilots are on furlough is the way it should be.
And one day when I'm old and grey, and the next downturn comes with furloughs I will stand by that and not take a single day of draft or VO while junior members are on the street.
