The Avcanada COVID Employment Poll

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What are the consequences of COVID on your pilot employment?

I am still employed at my current job and do not expect a layoff
113
45%
I am laid off, or expected to be laid off, and found a new pilot job
15
6%
I am laid off, or expected to be laid off, and found a new temporary non-pilot job. I hope to find a pilot job again ASAP
10
4%
I am laid off, or expected to be laid off, and found a new non-pilot job. I do not hope to return to a pilot job
5
2%
I am laid off, or expect to be laid off. I expect to return to my previous pilot job
44
18%
I am laid off, or expect to be laid off, do not expect to return and have not found a new job yet. I hope to find a pilot job.
15
6%
I am laid off, or expect to be laid off, do not expect to return and have not found a new job yet. I hope to find a temporary non-pilot job and return to a pilot job ASAP
12
5%
I am laid off, or expect to be laid off, do not expect to return and have not found a new job yet. I hope to find a permanent non-pilot job. I don't plan to ever return to a pilot job
7
3%
I am laid off, or expect to be laid off, do not expect to return to my previous pilot job, and I am not looking for a new job yet
3
1%
I am laid off, or expect to be laid off, and will be leaving the work force (e.g. retirement)
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No votes
I am not a pilot but I need an option to pick, as my slight OCD compulsions do not allow me to leave a poll unanswered
25
10%
 
Total votes: 249

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Post by digits_ »

I am wondering how the COVID stuff is affecting the AvCanada population. And we haven't had a poll about this. Polls are cool.
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 I am laid off, or expect to be laid off, do not expect to return and have not found a new job yet. I hope to find a temporary non-pilot job and return to a pilot job ASAP  
I am laid off, or expect to be laid off, do not expect to return and have not found a new job yet. I hope to find a temporary non-pilot job and return to my previous pilot job ASAP.
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200Above wrote: Sun May 24, 2020 8:24 am

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 I am laid off, or expect to be laid off, do not expect to return and have not found a new job yet. I hope to find a temporary non-pilot job and return to a pilot job ASAP  
I am laid off, or expect to be laid off, do not expect to return and have not found a new job yet. I hope to find a temporary non-pilot job and return to my previous pilot job ASAP.
Well shoot, I thought I covered all options!
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Close! Felt like I was checking NOTAMS. :lol:

I answered with what I copied. I think that's the closest to my situation and represents the spirit of the poll.

I will be laid off. I will get a temporary non-aviation job. I want to return to my pilot job (recall).
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Wow you really have to RTFQ here.
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Was laid off from instructing job but looks like I’ll be back in early June.
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Laid off, working on side business this summer and hoping to return / expecting a return to previous job in the Fall
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Laid off, found a temp flying contract, fingers crossed for a return to my previous job in the fall!
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Quit my job in february, was starting a new pilot job, which got cancelled. Hoping to find a pilot job.
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Should put an two options for the still-employed:

Still working at my job at full pay.

Still working at my job at reduced MMG or pay.
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Caterpillar wrote: Sun May 24, 2020 10:09 am Quit my job in february, was starting a new pilot job, which got cancelled. Hoping to find a pilot job.
Ouch! Air Canada??
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Here's my unique situation, not really covered in the poll: Currently still receiving full paycheques (albeit small, as I am an instructor) from my company, yet our school is shutdown at the moment.

I am essentially not working, other than on a few small projects such as editing and improving ground schools. I really appreciate how they've treated myself and coworkers throughout this.
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Skysurfer_1980 wrote: Sun May 24, 2020 1:55 pm
Caterpillar wrote: Sun May 24, 2020 10:09 am Quit my job in february, was starting a new pilot job, which got cancelled. Hoping to find a pilot job.
Ouch! Air Canada??
703 to Jazz
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Caterpillar wrote: Sun May 24, 2020 10:09 am Quit my job in february, was starting a new pilot job, which got cancelled. Hoping to find a pilot job.
That sucks :-(

Chances are you'd have been laid off anyways if you'd stayed, if that is any consolation...
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Maybe whoever did this, should do it again, and we will see if the results have changed
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Fortunate to still be working when so many are not; upgraded into LHS a month ago..
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I'm planning on going back to grad school and leaving flying for good unless I get recalled within the next 6 months.
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I should have taken a screen shot of the old poll for comparison., hope someone did and will post it
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Between the PM and Covid we might be all screwed anyway.

(ie. flying is evil: you'll catch covid and create a giant carbon footprint)
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For Ash Ketchum: go to Grad School anyways. You can always go back flying if you really want to. I always wonder what would have been had I gone back after grad school, but alas, I did just fine out of aviation, and 1000% certain that I made more money than I would have in aviation. YMMV, obviously, but aviation always had me one step away from the poorhouse.
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ayseven wrote: Tue Sep 29, 2020 4:52 pm For Ash Ketchum: go to Grad School anyways. You can always go back flying if you really want to. I always wonder what would have been had I gone back after grad school, but alas, I did just fine out of aviation, and 1000% certain that I made more money than I would have in aviation. YMMV, obviously, but aviation always had me one step away from the poorhouse.
Thanks for the advice. The Mba program I intend on going to is one of the best in Canada however I would need to take out a big student loan and wouldn't be able to afford the pay cut to go back to flying later on. I guess I could always buy my own plane down the road and fly for fun...
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If you are on furlough you have a seniority number and depending on your contract and union there is a time limit for that. Hopefully your union is proactive to negotiate an extension if that clause exists. It's possible to give yourself a educated guess at a time line for progression. It looks like covid is a major fact of life until such time there is a vaccine so there will be no growth in present day crew levels and a possibility of roll backs depending on the severity of the 2nd wave.

My point is that most of us strive for the "money" seat and the biggest iron available so that in the last few years of our career we make that nest egg. I can foresee that pilots laid off at this time may never find that seat before they retire. I guess it all comes down to the math and what you want to achieve. If that masters degree gives you that and if it guarantees you a good paying job and career it likely is a better choice. I doubt if you will get a recall before you finish your degree but a recall is always in your back pocket and you can make a choice or even defer( depending on your contract)

To me it's a no brainer, education, and yes when your are established that successful career buying that fun aircraft will always be there as well.

Best of luck in the choice you make.
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