COVID MOA 2

[Dash.Trash]

82.5% chose to take the cash and leave the bottom 600 in the cold.

I know, I am on the MEC!

Not for much longer, thankfully.

[Rupert.Pupkin]

82.5% chose to take the cash and leave the bottom 600 in the cold.

I know, I am on the MEC!

Not for much longer, thankfully.

Hey don't talk to our next CEO like that!

[Captain Kirkk]

82.5% chose to take the cash and leave the bottom 600 in the cold.

I know, I am on the MEC!

Not for much longer, thankfully.

Oof

[Thorjones]

So when CBC gets a hold of this, Ac fires you over the breach of NDA and then sues you what then?

This video will hurt your fellow pilots more than it will hurt your enemies on the MEC.

Please stop this.

[planebored]

Have a look at this:

Delete this.

[Mrbobmarly111]

Everyone Tony is mentally ill. Plus I just tried watching that video and honestly it belongs as one of the levels of hell in dante's inferno. The quality is so bad i could only watch 2 min before I turned it off.

And Tony if you're reading this. Get yourself some help. No one cares buddy. Life is to short. Try asking the people you hate so much for help and it might change your whole outlook on life.

ACPAs site and others have numbers you can call. Take the first step.

[PostmasterGeneral]

So, did anyone ever end up giving you an answer?

[timeflies]

so is this really how the Air Canada MEC's zoom meetings typically goes? 10 minutes going back and forth asking to answer a question while the other guys doesnt LOL. SMH.

[98 Corolla]

I ain't clicking that link. Air Canada is a publicly traded company and leaking meetings about negotiations between the company and labor unions could draw the attention of Securities regulators on yourself, this website, and anyone viewing it.

[Jimmy_Hoffa]

Tony, why don’t you post the link to the video where it claims the CIA had Trudeau under house arrest. You were a fan of that one on the ACPA forum.

Also, FYI, most individuals on this forum have not dropped enough bombs on people to earn your respect...

Get Help

[Slugger]

Tony will soon be leaving the ranks of Air Canada. Not too worry though, Baby Fidel(Trudeau) has the perfect position high up in the Liberal Gov't. Soon to be appointed Ambassador to the UN. That way the CIA can protect him, just like TruDashian.

[iflyroads]

I ain't clicking that link. Air Canada is a publicly traded company and leaking meetings about negotiations between the company and labor unions could draw the attention of Securities regulators on yourself, this website, and anyone viewing it.

[Lt. Daniel Kaffee]

You can have the association donate your dues to the charity of your choice. Just imagine if that movement takes off.........

good luck, let us know how that works out for you

[walkabout]

Part of the MOA 2 mentioned the following about being force reduced. If someone got forced reduced from a CA position to FO on this bid but didn't end up starting/completing their CA SIM training does the appropriate CA pay rate still apply? Appears so but would appreciate another opinion.

Pilots who were force reduced on CMSC Bid 20-01A and either moved to another
Captain position on their Base or were unable to maintain a Captain position on their
Base, then they, for the purposes of Article 20.09.07 will be deemed successfully
qualified as Captain and will receive the appropriate pay rate until they are qualified in
their new position (as per Article 20.09.05).
• The appropriate pay rate will begin on the pilot’s Activation Date (AD) or the date of the
successful Command Simulator, whichever is earlier.

[gtappl]

Why is everyone shitting on tony? If he's entitled to call a vote and they ignored that why is he in the wrong?

[planebored]

Why is everyone shitting on tony? If he's entitled to call a vote and they ignored that why is he in the wrong?

The issue is posting a video of a secretly recorded meeting online, on a public forum.

[alkaseltzer]

Active pilots voted themselves a pay raise while 600 members are out of work and wondering where their next meal will come from. Disgusting.

Huh?

Let me explain. Pilots remaining employed after Sept 30th will now receive either 63 or 75 hours MBG. This represents an increment of "X" dollars in the company's payroll.

Know what else costs "X" dollars? Bringing back the 600 laid off pilots. Or some of them. The government is even offering to cover their wages under CEWS which is extended until summer 2021.

Instead of sending ACPA back to the table to negotiate a deal that helps ALL pilots, 82.5% chose to take the cash and leave the bottom 600 in the cold. Solidarity anyone? Oh right... solidarity applies in reverse order of seniority

Like I said... disgusting. Am I the only one who sees this?

I think you're missing the economics on this one. This is a deal of a lifetime with the most uncertain days ahead. Rob Giguere deserves the Nobel Prize for Economics amongst unions for the least percentage of layoffs. Aside from CEWS (company calls the shots), this is a f'ing sweet deal for everyone.

Yes I'm on furlough too. But you gotta call a sweet deal when you see it. Saves his son from layoff too.

Solidarity does apply in order of reverse seniority. Any airline. Union dues drives business. Top earners make more and pay more dues. Is this your first real airline?

TL, no way I could have seen you on the news conference today, with all due respect. No junior guy (who doesn't suffer from scoliosis) would want to see you in that position. You once had high esteem: https://news.paxeditions.com/news/archi ... icle/37307

Now look in the mirror man. Yes, things aren't perfect. But no need to lose your dignity if you need help. The pilots, not just ACPA, would support you getting the medical help that you need; we're not doctors, but you know when something just ain't so.

My 2 cents.

[planebored]

To be fair, Rob G likely had nothing to do with it. His job is ACPA administration and has really nothing to do with the MEC. Also you didn't quote Tony. I'm assuming that's who you mean when you were talking about medical help.

['97 Tercel]

Why do so many people think he needs medical help? A higher level of judgment maybe, but actual medical assistance?

[alkaseltzer]

Why do so many people think he needs medical help? A higher level of judgment maybe, but actual medical assistance?

On a scale of 1 to Lubitz...not fair...okay, 1 to Sullenberger...?

Calin should invest in sanity tests post-pandemic. More productivity = higher profit sharing.

And planebored, point taken. Yes I was referring to him, I mentioned the initials, TL.

[planebored]

Why do so many people think he needs medical help? A higher level of judgment maybe, but actual medical assistance?

On a scale of 1 to Lubitz...not fair...okay, 1 to Sullenberger...?

Calin should invest in sanity tests post-pandemic. More productivity = higher profit sharing.

And planebored, point taken. Yes I was referring to him, I mentioned the initials, TL.

Didn't click when I read over that.. whoops

[dhc2pilot]

I’m guessing after 4 posts by Tony and the link to the video removed that he had a short stay on this forum after being removed. We will have to wait for Tony to start his on forum so he can attack everyone.

[Johnny767]

Active pilots voted themselves a pay raise while 600 members are out of work and wondering where their next meal will come from. Disgusting.

Huh?

Let me explain. Pilots remaining employed after Sept 30th will now receive either 63 or 75 hours MBG. This represents an increment of "X" dollars in the company's payroll.

Know what else costs "X" dollars? Bringing back the 600 laid off pilots. Or some of them. The government is even offering to cover their wages under CEWS which is extended until summer 2021.

Instead of sending ACPA back to the table to negotiate a deal that helps ALL pilots, 82.5% chose to take the cash and leave the bottom 600 in the cold. Solidarity anyone? Oh right... solidarity applies in reverse order of seniority

Like I said... disgusting. Am I the only one who sees this?

It's is unfortunate to find yourself on layoff, the piece you are missing is STOPPING any further layoffs. If we can keep this at 600 it will be a miracle. The corporation is on life support, be thankful that for once ACPA didn't make permanent changes to the collective agreement. Be further thankful for the current VP standing up for his Pilots, putting his job on the line with this MOA.

Hope like hell this turns around by spring.

[tony ledsham]

I’m guessing after 4 posts by Tony and the link to the video removed that he had a short stay on this forum after being removed. We will have to wait for Tony to start his on forum so he can attack everyone.

Nope - Still here. News of my demise is greatly exaggerated...

I posted this back in August, for COVID MOA v1.0, but it's even more pertinent today for COVID MOA v 2.0: https://www.captiongenerator.com/191505 ... atest-Memo

Why would the Company lay off pilots, when the vast majority of their wages will be covered by CEWS v 2.0 ? Bargaining tactic?

[Squid]

But this is avcanada where only the gang mentality hangs out! Calling others names and providing statements like “get help”!
I enjoyed the insight to the meeting video and if you think alpa is any different....same clowns , different circus.