COVID MOA 2

[ALPApolicy]

Does he possess a valid Cat 1 medical and is cleared to operate as aircrew?

[altiplano]

No.

[Johnny767]

I for one am glad you are here Tony, always appreciate your views. The only furloughed Pilots in Canada not eligible for CEWS are from AC, which is very unfortunate. My understanding is the corp could not cover the benefits, given the large number of layoffs from other departments?

Then of course being in the Peoples Republic of Canuckistan we can't have Pilots receive a benefit that the Rampie doesn't get!

[tony ledsham]

How much do the benefits cost AC? Claimsecure is an administrator, not an insurer. The CWIPP pension costs them 4.5% of SFA. The news will soon come out about CEWS. They can't resist free money...

[tony ledsham]

No.

Are you sure "altiplano" ?

[tony ledsham]

What's your real name? I posted mine. Are you a coward?

[tony ledsham]

I’m guessing after 4 posts by Tony and the link to the video removed that he had a short stay on this forum after being removed. We will have to wait for Tony to start his on forum so he can attack everyone.

Nope - Still here. News of my demise is greatly exaggerated...

I posted this back in August, for COVID MOA v1.0, but it's even more pertinent today for COVID MOA v 2.0: https://www.captiongenerator.com/191505 ... atest-Memo

Why would the Company lay off pilots, when the vast majority of their wages will be covered by CEWS v 2.0 ? Bargaining tactic?

bump

[altiplano]

No.

Are you sure "altiplano" ?

I don't know. I thought you said you were on gdip or leave or something. Or maybe it was somebody else... but I think it was you, maybe it was on the other forum.

What's your real name? I posted mine. Are you a coward?

That's your problem Tony. Slash and burn in every direction.

I was a big supporter of you, and still despite all the bullshit you have put out there and how poorly you have handled yourself through this all, I still believe you're doing it with good intentions. But what you've done isn't working, and that's an understatement, instead you're alienating the supporters you had and damaging/discrediting the message.

[200Above]

How much do the benefits cost AC? Claimsecure is an administrator, not an insurer. The CWIPP pension costs them 4.5% of SFA. The news will soon come out about CEWS. They can't resist free money...

As a furloughed member, I just applied for EI. Being on CEWS would be a huge change for me and my family. It's really unfortunate.

[planebored]

How much do the benefits cost AC? Claimsecure is an administrator, not an insurer. The CWIPP pension costs them 4.5% of SFA. The news will soon come out about CEWS. They can't resist free money...

As a furloughed member, I just applied for EI. Being on CEWS would be a huge change for me and my family. It's really unfortunate.

Don't you have to pay your benefits anyways on furlough? Too bad ACPA couldn't have done something for the 600 furloughed pilots like get the company to keep them on CEWS as long as the program exists and have the pilot cover benefit/pension. EI is pretty terrible I remember being on it years ago and it was impossible to work a part time job, and almost not worth it to find a full time one! With CEWS you could make as much or as little as you wanted in addition to the payment. I feel for you man, it's not easy hopefully you'll be back sooner than later.

[tony ledsham]

How much do the benefits cost AC? Claimsecure is an administrator, not an insurer. The CWIPP pension costs them 4.5% of SFA. The news will soon come out about CEWS. They can't resist free money...

As a furloughed member, I just applied for EI. Being on CEWS would be a huge change for me and my family. It's really unfortunate.

Don't you have to pay your benefits anyways on furlough? Too bad ACPA couldn't have done something for the 600 furloughed pilots like get the company to keep them on CEWS as long as the program exists and have the pilot cover benefit/pension. EI is pretty terrible I remember being on it years ago and it was impossible to work a part time job, and almost not worth it to find a full time one! With CEWS you could make as much or as little as you wanted in addition to the payment. I feel for you man, it's not easy hopefully you'll be back sooner than later.

All Canadian pilots, not just ACPA pilots, need to lobby ACPA to get their heads out of the sand. By getting the furloughed pilots back to AC, that will take the pressure off the bottom end of the profession. When the bottom end pilots make it to the NHL, your job, security and WAWCON will be better. Let's get the pilot profession back to where it should be in Canada. We are so far behind the Americans, it's beyond pathetic.
MEC@ACPA.ca
cc me: tony.ledsham@gmail.com

[RippleRock]

No.

Are you sure "altiplano" ?

I don't know. I thought you said you were on gdip or leave or something. Or maybe it was somebody else... but I think it was you, maybe it was on the other forum.

What's your real name? I posted mine. Are you a coward?

That's your problem Tony. Slash and burn in every direction.

I was a big supporter of you, and still despite all the bullshit you have put out there and how poorly you have handled yourself through this all, I still believe you're doing it with good intentions. But what you've done isn't working, and that's an understatement, instead you're alienating the supporters you had and damaging/discrediting the message.

Tony's only "failing" is being too passionate about the unity and dignity of the profession. It has none today compared to past decades. He doesn't suffer bull$hit or self-serving behavior that compromises the integrity and unity of the group. It likely makes his blood boil, and ACPA leadership is rife with it, as are the unity busting "silo" tactics in which our Union buys votes and passes divisive contracts and MOU's. I understand where he is coming from completely.

If I saw and truly understood half of the failings of ACPA since 2003 that he did, I would be beside myself. He has decades of Union work under his belt and a keen understanding of the inner workings of both ACPA and our parent company.

If he's afraid or "concerned" about what's going on, we should be as well. Full stop.



Tony, a lot of us run under "avatars" because we are afraid of Management and the scorn of fellow pilots who have been "fully converted". There are plenty of those who we may have to work with for years yet that would mock or belittle our passion for the career as we try to defend and "right" what's left of it. There is a weird "anti-communication" culture going on at ACPA. They do not encourage conversation amongst ourselves, and those that do speak out are branded as " the crazy fringe". It's insane, but also really sad.

The people who have stood up and declared their support and passion for the profession of over the years, have fallen like dominoes as forum after forum gets shut down. We have shifted toward silence or obscurity.

[altiplano]

Are you sure "altiplano" ?

I don't know. I thought you said you were on gdip or leave or something. Or maybe it was somebody else... but I think it was you, maybe it was on the other forum.

What's your real name? I posted mine. Are you a coward?

That's your problem Tony. Slash and burn in every direction.

I was a big supporter of you, and still despite all the bullshit you have put out there and how poorly you have handled yourself through this all, I still believe you're doing it with good intentions. But what you've done isn't working, and that's an understatement, instead you're alienating the supporters you had and damaging/discrediting the message.

Tony's only "failing" is being too passionate about the unity and dignity of the profession. It has none today compared to past decades. He doesn't suffer bull$hit or self-serving behavior that compromises the integrity and unity of the group. It likely makes his blood boil, and ACPA leadership is rife with it, as are the unity busting "silo" tactics in which our Union buys votes and passes divisive contracts and MOU's. I understand where he is coming from completely.

If I saw and truly understood half of the failings of ACPA since 2003 that he did, I would be beside myself. He has decades of Union work under his belt and a keen understanding of the inner workings of both ACPA and our parent company.

If he's afraid or "concerned" about what's going on, we should be as well. Full stop.



Tony, a lot of us run under "avatars" because we are afraid of Management and the scorn of fellow pilots who have been "fully converted". There are plenty of those who we may have to work with for years yet that would mock or belittle our passion for the career as we try to defend and "right" what's left of it. There is a weird "anti-communication" culture going on at ACPA. They do not encourage conversation amongst ourselves, and those that do speak out are branded as " the crazy fringe". It's insane, but also really sad.

The people who have stood up and declared their support and passion for the profession of over the years, have fallen like dominoes as forum after forum gets shut down. We have shifted toward silence or obscurity.

I hear you.

It's unreal that the failings and shortcomings at ACPA aren't front of mind for more/all of our pilots. Unfortunately for many it's not the position or profession to advance, but the flying at their base or at their LCC or on their type or at their seniority band or pick your silo.

And as I said, I know there are good intentions here, but how does it go? "The road to hell is paved with..."

And what's the point of the attacks on people on everything from a 6-49 lotto pool to no military service to questioning people's character who are even standing up for this NEM on the other forum because you can't read the nuance or understand the post... even petty shit about who's the best pilot and who sucks.

That's a distraction, that's not on point, that doesn't advance the cause of exposing the problems at ACPA, that doesn't serve the people you are trying to advocate for, that just makes you look petty and alienates support. It damages the message and feeds the rhetoric of the crazy fringe for the establishment to push.

Not to mention getting kicked off the AC forum and out of MEC meetings... Cut off your nose to spite your face? C'mon. What we needed was a level headed consistent message from our elected member back to the membership of the problems in the Association.

How does it go? Maybe I have this wrong Tony, no military experience here... You can't go full afterburner all the time over enemy positions or you're going to get shot out of the sky. That's what happened here and it accomplished less than nothing, it sets us back.

[Lt. Daniel Kaffee]

Tony's only "failing" is being too passionate about the unity and dignity of the profession.

Really? Did you read the document from ACPA regarding the charges against him (released by him)? Threats, verbal assaults, harassment etc.

So in the middle of the COVID crisis, the union has to fight with some delusional, conspiracy theorist, no doubt spending 10s of thousands of dollars of union funds.

[Johnny767]

How much do the benefits cost AC? Claimsecure is an administrator, not an insurer. The CWIPP pension costs them 4.5% of SFA. The news will soon come out about CEWS. They can't resist free money...

As a furloughed member, I just applied for EI. Being on CEWS would be a huge change for me and my family. It's really unfortunate.

To add insult, the 250 hr Jazz kid is sitting in his Moms basement playing video games, collecting CEWS and full benefits.

INCLUDING pass travel.

While the AC Pilot is delivering pizzas for Skip the Dishes.

[Inverted2]

Has their been any documented cases of an AC pilot delivering a pizza (or any other takeout food) to a Jazz Kid?

[ALPApolicy]

Has their been any documented cases of an AC pilot delivering a pizza (or any other takeout food) to a Jazz Kid?

Okay, that made me chuckle.

[mbav8r]

How much do the benefits cost AC? Claimsecure is an administrator, not an insurer. The CWIPP pension costs them 4.5% of SFA. The news will soon come out about CEWS. They can't resist free money...

As a furloughed member, I just applied for EI. Being on CEWS would be a huge change for me and my family. It's really unfortunate.

To add insult, the 250 hr Jazz kid is sitting in his Moms basement playing video games, collecting CEWS and full benefits.

INCLUDING pass travel.

While the AC Pilot is delivering pizzas for Skip the Dishes.

What is important to note, Jazz would not be participating if there had not been an agreement, part of that is the company is not paying for the benefits and there is no pension accrual. Perhaps the ACPA took a hard line on that and AC opted out.

[planebored]

As a furloughed member, I just applied for EI. Being on CEWS would be a huge change for me and my family. It's really unfortunate.

To add insult, the 250 hr Jazz kid is sitting in his Moms basement playing video games, collecting CEWS and full benefits.

INCLUDING pass travel.

While the AC Pilot is delivering pizzas for Skip the Dishes.

What is important to note, Jazz would not be participating if there had not been an agreement, part of that is the company is not paying for the benefits and there is no pension accrual. Perhaps the ACPA took a hard line on that and AC opted out.

Did they ask the 600 pilots who got laid off if they would be fine paying their own benefits? My guess is no.

[JcPd_flyer]

To add insult, the 250 hr Jazz kid is sitting in his Moms basement playing video games, collecting CEWS and full benefits.

INCLUDING pass travel.

While the AC Pilot is delivering pizzas for Skip the Dishes.

What is important to note, Jazz would not be participating if there had not been an agreement, part of that is the company is not paying for the benefits and there is no pension accrual. Perhaps the ACPA took a hard line on that and AC opted out.

Did they ask the 600 pilots who got laid off if they would be fine paying their own benefits? My guess is no.

Nope. And I would have taken that option 100%.
I feel like the worst part of this is that we will be returning to the flat pay once this is over. I don't care if I make $1000/Month with AC, or even $0 at this point but just keeping us on the system as surplus, so that at least we are making progress on pay, maybe vacation/pension as well. Right now, the poorest of the AC pilots are left behind, and will be returning to where we left off, while literally every other pilot in the industry is making progress.

[planebored]

What is important to note, Jazz would not be participating if there had not been an agreement, part of that is the company is not paying for the benefits and there is no pension accrual. Perhaps the ACPA took a hard line on that and AC opted out.

Did they ask the 600 pilots who got laid off if they would be fine paying their own benefits? My guess is no.

Nope. And I would have taken that option 100%.
I feel like the worst part of this is that we will be returning to the flat pay once this is over. I don't care if I make $1000/Month with AC, or even $0 at this point but just keeping us on the system as surplus, so that at least we are making progress on pay, maybe vacation/pension as well. Right now, the poorest of the AC pilots are left behind, and will be returning to where we left off, while literally every other pilot in the industry is making progress.

Write the MEC and CEO with your displeasure. Mind you of you're part of the 600 your email probably goes right to the trash bin.

[DHC-1 Jockey]

Did they ask the 600 pilots who got laid off if they would be fine paying their own benefits? My guess is no.

At Sunwing, we were given the choice individually to participate in CEWS or go on EI. We were also given the option whether to continue with our current health and dental package (Enhanced or Core) or downgrade to the cheaper Core option or to opt out completely and pursue our own health and dental benefits with another provider.

Mind you, for this to occur, we are not accruing years of service towards pay progression, vacation accrual, RRSP matching, etc. As well, we have to pay out of pocket for the health and dental premiums if we elected to stay with the Sunwing plan, although we'd be out of pocket anyways if we went it alone.

I think that's a small price to pay for having the CEWS, with the added "bonus" at the end of CEWS to apply for traditional EI... it makes the timeframe we receive benefits that much longer as CEWS doesn't count against EI eligibility.

At least we were given the choice on an individual level, and I am grateful that I am receiving the CEWS as opposed to EI. I don't know why AC couldn't do the same.

[RippleRock]

Tony's only "failing" is being too passionate about the unity and dignity of the profession.

Really? Did you read the document from ACPA regarding the charges against him (released by him)? Threats, verbal assaults, harassment etc.

So in the middle of the COVID crisis, the union has to fight with some delusional, conspiracy theorist, no doubt spending 10s of thousands of dollars of union funds.

Yes. I read the whole thing. I can hardly blame him.

First of all the Covid issue ISN'T a pilot issue, just like it wasn't a gate agent issue, or rampie issue. Covid is a Management issue. It is their responsibility to the shareholder to keep the ship afloat. We can do nothing that will make a difference by any more than a week. ACPA seems to think otherwise. We have been the "low hanging fruit" for quite some time now, always the first "picked". Explain to me the "rush" to forward MOU#1 and then the panic to forward MOU#2. Please explain why the voting window was a joke at 7 days. That wasn't long to consider the serious ramifications of approving an "open ended" MOU.

ACPA doesn't like upsetting the "great relationship" that they have developed over the past decade. The one where the Membership jump as high and as fast as we are told to without question. Always the first in to "save everyone", doing irreversable damage to ourselves and further compromising our unity in the process. We are "addicted" to "pats on the back" for our contributions. Our pockets overflow with "bargaining chips" that will never be used. Tony sees this and is calling them out, perhaps a bit harshly, but calling them out just the same. They don't like it and fight back.

ACPA should be reminded of who pays their displacement. They have clearly forgotten this long ago.

Don't get me wrong, I want AC to thrive. We have a great Management team and it is their responsibility to ensure it thrives. They are doing a great job. It is our job to protect what our predecessors created for us. Our airline won't be diminished one bit if we accomplish that. Tony is one of the few who get that.

It would be nice to hold ones head high and be proud of the leaf on our hats as we stand in a customs line with United and Delta pilots. When was the last time we could do that???

[tony ledsham]

How does it go? Maybe I have this wrong Tony, no military experience here... You can't go full afterburner all the time over enemy positions or you're going to get shot out of the sky. That's what happened here and it accomplished less than nothing, it sets us back.

It's interesting you mention that. On our first combat sortie over Serbia, I saved my inexperienced wingman's life, by yelling at him over the radio to get out of burner, as every swinging dick on the ground could see him, with 40 ft of blue flame behind him and they were shooting at him with 57mm HEI AAA. I don't wish that experience on any of you, but sometimes you have to yell at people to get their attention. I'M YELLING AT YOU, altiplano. Wake up!

[tony ledsham]

How much do the benefits cost AC? Claimsecure is an administrator, not an insurer. The CWIPP pension costs them 4.5% of SFA. The news will soon come out about CEWS. They can't resist free money...

As a furloughed member, I just applied for EI. Being on CEWS would be a huge change for me and my family. It's really unfortunate.

To add insult, the 250 hr Jazz kid is sitting in his Moms basement playing video games, collecting CEWS and full benefits.

INCLUDING pass travel.

While the AC Pilot is delivering pizzas for Skip the Dishes.

Johnny767 Jerry?