The Return to Normal?

[Human Factor]

https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/westjet-air- ... -1.5001550

[Eric Janson]

https://simpleflying.com/canada-foreign-traveler-ban/

Limits the number of people able to travel to Canada and travel is only for people travelling one way.

Still a very long way from returning to normal imho.

[garfield]

Even AC themselves are saying 3 years minimum...

[Squid]

Big hill @ a burn of 13-16 mil per day

[Eric Janson]

This is probably what the "New Normal" is going to look like.

https://simpleflying.com/portugal-covid-test-fines/

This will add to the difficulties travelling at the moment imho.

[MrAviator19]

This is probably what the "New Normal" is going to look like.

https://simpleflying.com/portugal-covid-test-fines/

This will add to the difficulties travelling at the moment imho.

That's a good move, in my opinion.

Traveling may become more difficult. Travelers, however, could feel more at ease knowing their safety isn't being compromised. It's measures like these along with establishing travel corridors that will ensure the industry's survival through the pandemic.

The only morons I see protesting against this would be the "live free or die" and "anti-vaxxer" clowns.

MrA

[PitchLink]

The only constant is change, and these times are no exception to that. After 911 everything changed forever, this is far worse, airline capacity projections from Argus and other aviation business firms suggest air travel to be a max of 60-75% of what it was once this virus is under control. Again this fourth quarter is pivotal in that projection and it’s not looking good thus far.

[montado]

I think to many people are banking in vaccine as back to normal. From what I hear it’s likely the first vaccine won’t be effective enough to drop the mask policy and social distancing. It looks like is may be 3 to 5 years before covid is really under control with an effective vaccine. Imagine that, we will be in masks for up to 5 more years...

I have family that are deathly afraid and won’t visit with me. I asked them are they really going to go 5 years without seeing their grandchildren? This might become the reality at this point.

Maybe it’s time to consider the “living with it approach?” I don’t know... 5 years sucks! But apparently this virus causes not only death, but every neurological and cardiac disease as well. Maybe we should just go back to lockdown.

[AA123455]

Yup.

We shouldn’t sacrifice the livelihoods and futures of the 20-60 year olds to help every 90 year old become a 91 year old.

This virus is new, but every virus is new at some point. New and deadly microbes have been popping up every decade or so. I’m worried we’ll still be recovering economically from COVID and another virus will show up and force us all back into lockdown..

The poverty around the world our COVID response is creating will cause more death and suffering than the virus!

[RippleRock]

The Liberal and Ford Governments and their media puppets have done a masterful job in stoking fear among Canadians.

There is a real "casedemic" right now, with relatively few deaths. Nearly zero deaths with no co-morbid or underlying health issues. (like being near the normal time of death anyway at 80+....sorry, but 80 is pretty damn good) There appears no end in sight after the government moved the goal posts from acceptable levels of hospitalizations, and not overwhelming the health-care system to the current target of "zero hospitalizations and zero deaths" which is completely unattainable and downright stupid.

So we all stay locked up to a degree, while bankruptcies rise, jobs vaporize, suicides rates skyrocket, small businesses are wiped out, national debt heads into the stratosphere, domestic abuse rises and a general feeling of hopelessness consumes us.

This is our new reality, and our new normal until the world rises up and says "enough".

Send the young and healthy back to work, open the planet back up to travel, isolate those who are afraid, and those who wish to be isolated under their own free will. Let the rest of us get on with our lives while practicing a bit of social distancing while we attain herd immunity like we did with the last 50,000 viruses that Humanity has faced over the eons.

[altiplano]

But apparently this virus causes not only death, but every neurological and cardiac disease as well. Maybe we should just go back to lockdown.

The media reports and infers every research study looking at linking covid to something as if it were a fact, but of course it's not.

The fact is that there is a ton of money right now available to fund covid-anything research and people in that business are making hay, getting billions of dollars of grants and contracts to look at any possibility they can pitch to the people holding the purse strings, no matter how far out it actually is.

[PostmasterGeneral]

The Liberal and Ford Governments and their media puppets have done a masterful job in stoking fear among Canadians.

There is a real "casedemic" right now, with relatively few deaths. Nearly zero deaths with no co-morbid or underlying health issues. (like being near the normal time of death anyway at 80+....sorry, but 80 is pretty damn good) There appears no end in sight after the government moved the goal posts from acceptable levels of hospitalizations, and not overwhelming the health-care system to the current target of "zero hospitalizations and zero deaths" which is completely unattainable and downright stupid.

So we all stay locked up to a degree, while bankruptcies rise, jobs vaporize, suicides rates skyrocket, small businesses are wiped out, national debt heads into the stratosphere, domestic abuse rises and a general feeling of hopelessness consumes us.

This is our new reality, and our new normal until the world rises up and says "enough".

Send the young and healthy back to work, open the planet back up to travel, isolate those who are afraid, and those who wish to be isolated under their own free will. Let the rest of us get on with our lives while practicing a bit of social distancing while we attain herd immunity like we did with the last 50,000 viruses that Humanity has faced over the eons.

Or, you could put on your fucking mask and refrain from senseless super spreader events until we get ahead of this thing. Is that too fucking hard for you? Does that exceed your capabilities?

Relax. He's right. The mortality rate for Covid without an underlying condition is EXTREMELY low. You have a better chance of dying being hit by lightning on your way to the Viscount lot FFS. When would you consider us to ever be "ahead of this thing" exactly? When there's zero cases for 6 months? Give me a break.

RippleRock is right, this is all completely unnecessary. The ENTIRE point of the quarantine was to "flatten the curve." We've done that. Alberta, BC, and SK have all dismantled their temporary covid relief centers. Those "pop up hospitals" haven't seen a SINGLE patient in 9 months. Not a one.

If YOU are worried about covid, stay home, or wear a mask. Don't make it everyone else's problem. Oh, and leave the tinfoil hat at home. That's not just directed towards your post, but to this whole situation in general. This nonsense has gone on long enough.

[Rockie]

The mortality rate for Covid without an underlying condition is EXTREMELY low.

Tell that to the dead people and their families, I'm sure their relief will be palpable.

When would you consider us to ever be "ahead of this thing" exactly?

When cases are low, flat and staying there even with the economy continuing to open.

The ENTIRE point of the quarantine was to "flatten the curve." We've done that.

Perhaps in your universe. But here in the real one that statement would be laughable if it weren't so delusionally dangerous.

Too many people are too fucking stupid to take the basic precautions that infectious disease experts say are necessary and able to beat the virus back to manageable levels. It's as simple as that.

[Old fella]

The Liberal and Ford Governments and their media puppets have done a masterful job in stoking fear among Canadians.

There is a real "casedemic" right now, with relatively few deaths. Nearly zero deaths with no co-morbid or underlying health issues. (like being near the normal time of death anyway at 80+....sorry, but 80 is pretty damn good) There appears no end in sight after the government moved the goal posts from acceptable levels of hospitalizations, and not overwhelming the health-care system to the current target of "zero hospitalizations and zero deaths" which is completely unattainable and downright stupid.

So we all stay locked up to a degree, while bankruptcies rise, jobs vaporize, suicides rates skyrocket, small businesses are wiped out, national debt heads into the stratosphere, domestic abuse rises and a general feeling of hopelessness consumes us.

This is our new reality, and our new normal until the world rises up and says "enough".

Send the young and healthy back to work, open the planet back up to travel, isolate those who are afraid, and those who wish to be isolated under their own free will. Let the rest of us get on with our lives while practicing a bit of social distancing while we attain herd immunity like we did with the last 50,000 viruses that Humanity has faced over the eons.

Or, you could put on your fucking mask and refrain from senseless super spreader events until we get ahead of this thing. Is that too fucking hard for you? Does that exceed your capabilities?

Somebody doesn’t read the news, not to mention what’s currently happening in parts of Europe.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/coronavi ... -1.5785926

[rookiepilot]

Isn't this similar to what I said all along in multiple threads. We need to get our economy going and not have shutdown policies. But freaks like Rockie scream the loudest about the virus and other things like man made global warming and stupid policies are implemented. Quarantine vulnerable people and let society move on.

Is it necessary to call others freaks who don't agree with you?

Professional, yes.

[RippleRock]

The Liberal and Ford Governments and their media puppets have done a masterful job in stoking fear among Canadians.

There is a real "casedemic" right now, with relatively few deaths. Nearly zero deaths with no co-morbid or underlying health issues. (like being near the normal time of death anyway at 80+....sorry, but 80 is pretty damn good) There appears no end in sight after the government moved the goal posts from acceptable levels of hospitalizations, and not overwhelming the health-care system to the current target of "zero hospitalizations and zero deaths" which is completely unattainable and downright stupid.

So we all stay locked up to a degree, while bankruptcies rise, jobs vaporize, suicides rates skyrocket, small businesses are wiped out, national debt heads into the stratosphere, domestic abuse rises and a general feeling of hopelessness consumes us.

This is our new reality, and our new normal until the world rises up and says "enough".

Send the young and healthy back to work, open the planet back up to travel, isolate those who are afraid, and those who wish to be isolated under their own free will. Let the rest of us get on with our lives while practicing a bit of social distancing while we attain herd immunity like we did with the last 50,000 viruses that Humanity has faced over the eons.

Or, you could put on your fucking mask and refrain from senseless super spreader events until we get ahead of this thing. Is that too fucking hard for you? Does that exceed your capabilities?

Who says I don't wear a mask, Jacka$$?

I've missed you. Did you catch the Covid?

[RippleRock]

The Liberal and Ford Governments and their media puppets have done a masterful job in stoking fear among Canadians.

There is a real "casedemic" right now, with relatively few deaths. Nearly zero deaths with no co-morbid or underlying health issues. (like being near the normal time of death anyway at 80+....sorry, but 80 is pretty damn good) There appears no end in sight after the government moved the goal posts from acceptable levels of hospitalizations, and not overwhelming the health-care system to the current target of "zero hospitalizations and zero deaths" which is completely unattainable and downright stupid.

So we all stay locked up to a degree, while bankruptcies rise, jobs vaporize, suicides rates skyrocket, small businesses are wiped out, national debt heads into the stratosphere, domestic abuse rises and a general feeling of hopelessness consumes us.

This is our new reality, and our new normal until the world rises up and says "enough".

Send the young and healthy back to work, open the planet back up to travel, isolate those who are afraid, and those who wish to be isolated under their own free will. Let the rest of us get on with our lives while practicing a bit of social distancing while we attain herd immunity like we did with the last 50,000 viruses that Humanity has faced over the eons.

Or, you could put on your fucking mask and refrain from senseless super spreader events until we get ahead of this thing. Is that too fucking hard for you? Does that exceed your capabilities?

Somebody doesn’t read the news, not to mention what’s currently happening in parts of Europe.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/coronavi ... -1.5785926

Yes, let's quote the Liberal Rag...the CBC. Nearly as twisted as the Washington Post from which they get most of their news stories.

There's certainly no "you'll all be safe under the strict guidance of your drama teacher" bias coming from that gang.

[digits_]

I can see how some government would be able to manipulate numbers to make themselves look good, maybe even try to be super cautious by taking extreme measures etc. I deem all that possible.

Maybe statistics are off, and there are no excess deaths. Or they are caused by other diseases and wrongfully counted as Covid. Also possible,

But then you look at the situation in Spain a few months ago, and the current situation in Belgium and neighbouring countries, and it makes me think that it is much more serious than the average flu. I haven't read a single argument that explains how it is possible that using all available ICU beds for covid patiens would not result in significant extra deaths. Some hospitals in Belgium are suspending cancer treatments, because the majority of the staff is tending to Covid patients.

Bottom line: if it is all a hoax, and it isn't serious, then why are the ICU beds full with Covid patients?

[Rockie]

Who says I don't wear a mask, Jacka$$?

Let the rest of us get on with our lives while practicing a bit of social distancing while we attain herd immunity like we did with the last 50,000 viruses that Humanity has faced over the eons.

Says some jackass who believes in herd immunity. Why would you wear one if you're aiming for immunity? Certainly not out of any sense of civic responsibility.

[Old fella]

Or, you could put on your fucking mask and refrain from senseless super spreader events until we get ahead of this thing. Is that too fucking hard for you? Does that exceed your capabilities?

Somebody doesn’t read the news, not to mention what’s currently happening in parts of Europe.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/coronavi ... -1.5785926

Yes, let's quote the Liberal Rag...the CBC. Nearly as twisted as the Washington Post from which they get most of their news stories.

There's certainly no "you'll all be safe under the strict guidance of your drama teacher" bias coming from that gang.

Ok would this make you happier, similar stories in the National Post and Star.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/a ... -plans-to/

Or all they all Liberal rags under the thumb of JT the drama teacher. Would I get an atta boy from you if I quoted Rebel Media. Who knows perhaps you are an ardent supporter and subscriber of theirs. Ole Ezra your fan favourite. You are like the male anonymous Twitter trolls who yell and scream at the basement walls then wander to the corner fire up the old desktop thumb through the porn sites and j...... off. Reading Dudes like you is as good as a third rate comedian act.

[PostmasterGeneral]

The mortality rate for Covid without an underlying condition is EXTREMELY low.

Tell that to the dead people and their families, I'm sure their relief will be palpable.

Um, I lost two family members this year already who both tested positive for covid. Guess what? Both had severe underlying health conditions. It wasn't covid's fault that they died, it was the shit they already had that was going to kill them anyway, one way or another. Or a cold. Or a flu. Or being hit by a bus crossing the street. Who knows. A bunch of people at the grocery store wearing masks had no impact on whether they lived or died, clearly.

Oh, and to twist the knife a little more, try having a f*cking funeral for someone you love, and you need to shorten the guest list to a measly 15 people, (4 of which are from the funeral home, so really its 11.) And listen to the minister speak through a goddamn mask. Outside. In the wind. Where the hell is the dignity in that? I'm sure glad everyone was safe from the disease you need a test to know if you've even had it!

Get the point yet? Give your head a shake.

[pelmet]

As I have been saying all along, lets do what it now starting to be recommended. Learn to live with the virus. Masks are part of that normal but most businesses should be opened up.

Finally, the authorities are starting to listen to me.

Ottawa’s top doctor says it is time to learn to live with COVID-19

OTTAWA -- Ottawa’s Medical Officer of Health is recommending a new approach for the capital to deal with the COVID-19 pandemic - learning to coexist with the virus.

“I have suggested to the province we find a more balanced approach for the way forward," Dr. Vera Etches said Monday.

"The approach I’m recommending is that we learn to coexist with COVID with care."

Dr. Etches made those comments at the board of health meeting Monday evening.

Following the board of health meeting, Dr. Etches posted the following message on Twitter: “I have written to the Mayor describing the need for a new approach to the pandemic response, for the sake of the population’s health. We need to be learning to live with COVID, to coexist with COVID, with caution.”

Dr. Etches says as we near the end of the 28-day modified restrictions in Ottawa, it is time to ‘balance harms’ going forward.

“We definitely see harms from the transmission of COVID and we’re worried about hospitalizations and deaths and people not being well,” Dr. Etches said.

“We’re also seeing really signification harms from the closures and the impact on people’s businesses and employment and people’s mental health.”

Dr. Etches says we’re looking at a situation where COVID-19 is going to continue to cause a risk of resurgence in Ottawa for a while.

“We need to find new ways to live with the Virus,” she said.

Dr. Etches says Ottawa has ‘seen what can be done’ after the community decreased the level on COVID-19 in the capital more than once.

“We can do this through our own actions, we can decrease COVID in the community, and it is important to have more economic activity return.”

Dr. Etches says using ‘harm reduction’ and ensuring there are added safety measures in a bar or restaurant is, in her view, more safe than people gathering at private settings, where there may be no safety measures in place. As a result, Dr. Etches explained it would be less harmful to have people in controlled environments going forward.

“I’ve looked at the levels of unemployment resulting from the COVID-19 pandemic response, I’ve looked at indicators of the mental health of our community and the challenges arising from a backlog in surgical and medical procedures. I’m concluding more needs to be done to enable people to return to more of their usual supports and services in their lives," Dr. Etches said.

"Similar to how schools are able to be open with precautions in place, businesses should be able to open with precautions in place. People should be able to learn to live with COVID with care."


All it takes is some common sense.

[Rockie]

Um, I lost two family members this year already who both tested positive for covid.

And yet you still learned nothing from it.

Finally, the authorities are starting to listen to me.

Yeah, you cling to that thought Pelmet.

[Ratherbe]

Is the cure worse than the disease? Valid question. There are lots of great cancer treatments available but are simply too expensive for our medical system to afford so a decision was made not to make them available. If we applied this same logic to the COVID response we would be flying again and opening up our economy - with reasonable safeguards. We can not afford to hide until the virus is gone because it isn’t likely going to go anywhere for awhile.

We should have been building more hospitals and training more medical staff. But we didn’t now what?

One day this will be behind us but for those of us in the airline business (and for those of you Rockie collecting an unfunded supplemental pension) we need a healthy airline. So to return to normal, and getting back to the thread, we need the govt to finally come out and offer real financial support like all the other developed countries in the world did for their airline industries. I believe we will need foreign ownership to survive and likely it will be at least 49% from a carrier with a strong network and a recent infusion of their government’s cash.

[Torontomaplelaughs]

Rockie - didn't realize you were a Covidphobiac
https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/ottawa-s-top ... -1.5172031