teacher wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:01 pm
Social media policies are VERY clear.
One may sympathize but one CANNOT slander or denigrate ones employer on risk of termination.
Is swoop the employer of a westjet pilot?
Is making a joke denigrating one's employer?
Yes.
Swoop is not the employer for a WestJet pilot. WestJet pilots work for WestJet an Alberta partnership LP which is a subsidiary of 2 companies that are subsidiaries of WestJet Ltd.
Swoop is its own company which is a subsidiary of WestJet Ltd, just like WestJet Encore is a subsidiary of WestJet Ltd.
ALPApolicy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:14 pm you have been a member of this forum for 15 years and made almost 2500 posts. I’m going to hazard a guess that you are a pilot working in the industry (I may be wrong). If you were fooled by the photo, an uninformed member of the public might be too,
What bearing does one's avcanada membership history or current status as a pilot have on one's ability to spot photoshopped fakes?
Anyway, I'm conflicted on this. On the one hand, I don't feel like Swoop pilots have a right to complain. The wages were common knowledge from the get go. They willingly signed up to be bottom feeders. Hard to engender sympathy if you're a willing participant in your own abuse, and they get none from me. However, I don't see this as denigrating the employer. No comment or judgement is being made on whether Swoop is a good or bad company. Swoop pays their pilots peanuts. That's a fact. This is not even a statement thereof, rather it's just an implication of fact. If Swoop is embarrassed by that fact, they should look in the mirror.
shimmydampner wrote: ↑
What bearing does one's avcanada membership history or current status as a pilot have on one's ability to spot photoshopped fakes?
Anyway, I'm conflicted on this. On the one hand, I don't feel like Swoop pilots have a right to complain. The wages were common knowledge from the get go. They willingly signed up to be bottom feeders. Hard to engender sympathy if you're a willing participant in your own abuse, and they get none from me. However, I don't see this as denigrating the employer. No comment or judgement is being made on whether Swoop is a good or bad company. Swoop pays their pilots peanuts. That's a fact. This is not even a statement thereof, rather it's just an implication of fact. If Swoop is embarrassed by that fact, they should look in the mirror.
I suppose my comment was directed at his awareness of aviation issues as an "insider". I'll concede the point.
Regarding Swoop pilots being willing participants, I suggest a reading of recent history would bring that point into contention. A review of the PTA and WJ's interpretation of recall procedures would be helpful in understanding why some pilots are working there.
As to what a corporation might determine is defamatory, that's a matter for the courts at this point. If you haven't just been terminated, you do of course have the luxury of arguing the point without any distracting factors such as a lack of income.
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At this point, for those pilots who are laid off from WJ, the only path back to work at their former employer, WJ, will be via a job at Swoop first. Only active pilots working at WJ or Swoop have access to any vacancies posted at WJ or Swoop via a pref bid. Most Swoop pilots will take the first opportunity to leave Swoop and go (back) to WJ. This leaves any remaining WJ jobs (unlikely) and any Swoop vacancies being offered via recall to laid off WJ pilots. This is obviously less than ideal, as pilots who have never worked at Swoop will likely have to work there for some period of time before getting back to WJ. Better than nothing...
shimmydampner wrote: ↑
What bearing does one's avcanada membership history or current status as a pilot have on one's ability to spot photoshopped fakes?
I suppose my comment was directed at his awareness of aviation issues as an "insider". I'll concede the point.
I'm sorry to keep butting into this conversation, but I AM a pilot, and have been flying for a living for over 26 years and over 20,000 hours on everything from light singles to transport-category turbojets. It's just that I have never had any interest in working for "mainline" carriers and am unaware of many of the "wage-and-working-conditions" issues experienced by those guys. I vaguely understand it's been getting less lucrative and less fun over the years and that's why it angered but didn't surprise me to see that sign and ask if it was real or not. It doesn't affect me one way or another but I was outraged on your behalf.
Please carry on.
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